Faction Levels Suggestion

[Sasuke Uchiha]

Right, so if in order to level your faction, all of your faction ic threads would need to be graded, so staff would know exactly what your faction had done IC (Which I agree with you, staff should know what the player made factions are doing.)


As for your statement,

"I don't think Faction's should be required to generate OM or bank up OM to create their own quests"

I don't think you get why this suggestion came about. Again this suggestion is not about giving out any more additional OM. I repeat this suggestion does not give out any more OM than is already given out currently.

Right now, every faction is creating quests for their members, it's just what's happening. If you ask any player made alliance, they have all made quests for their members. Now as a player I like the idea of joining and building up a player made faction, but I have the option to join an NPC faction, and lets be honest, their quests come with actual OM rewards, so they are the better choice. Example:

The Empire
Hand of the Empire OR There Are No Lines (must choose one)
Requirements: Not affiliated with the Kingdom, Pokemon Liberation Front or Rebels.
Difficulty: Moderate (5000-10,000 words dependent on writing quality)
Reward: +300 OM and increased Influence with the Empire.

So, even the playing field and let player made factions offer rewards, but, at the same time, I don't feel like player made factions should get to start off offering rewards right away. They should have top earn it, grow your faction to do cool stuff like that.

It's not about banking more OM. It's about offering Player Made Factions the same playing field and flavor as an NPC one. Thats all.

Edit: I also don't know what you mean by, "Squeeze through the rules" but truthfully, nothing I offer to the site would ever be an attempt to squeeze through the rules, so I feel maybe we misunderstand each other?

[Trixie]

I'm not targeting you or anybody specifically. This is my staff side coming out from CDBZ. Remember that member who posted thousands of words in my Dragonball thread that were plagiarized from a Star Wars fan fiction? That's what I mean. So that a harmless gather quest doesn't contain something sinister. Especially if it's relating to do with a faction or even an artifact. That's what I mean by squeezing through the rules.

Disregard the bank up OM thing. I don't know where my mind was for that.

[Sasuke Uchiha]

I'm not targeting you or anybody specifically. This is my staff side coming out from CDBZ. Remember that member who posted thousands of words in my Dragonball thread that were plagiarized from a Star Wars fan fiction? That's what I mean. So that a harmless gather quest doesn't contain something sinister. Especially if it's relating to do with a faction or even an artifact. That's what I mean by squeezing through the rules.

Disregard the bank up OM thing. I don't know where my mind was for that.

Oh, I see where you are coming from now, and I figured we were just misunderstanding each other Joe, or at least I didn't expect you to be a dick to me. =P

Anywho, that we agree on, staff would def have to grade these threads, that way no one could game the system as you mentioned.

As for the word count thing, I see where you are coming from Frisco, because Staff already does have alot to do around here and this would be more work for them, but again staff grading would eliminate someone hurting the system like Joe mentioned, and it would avoid problems with one man shows doing all the work to unlock all the faction lvls like you mentioned, as staff would grade AND GIVE A MARK, NOT AUTO WORD COUNTED EXP FOR THE LVLS.

Wtf caps lock and too lazy to fix. #Deal with it =P

[Sasuke Uchiha]

Double post!!!

Also, staff will be grading them anyway because of the participation bonus, it's just another step they would take, adding a faction grade/exp.

[Thaal Sinestro]

Double post!!!

Also, staff will be grading them anyway because of the participation bonus, it's just another step they would take, adding a faction grade/exp.

What do you think of this proposal to minimize the workload of staffers:

I sort of just figured that having a more word # based system of earning FacXP would make it easier for both staffers and the groups to keep track of, as the staff already has a sort of tough time keeping up with quests and etc. It also gives the players a more reliable way of knowing how much they'll get. Take a look at the Bonus Request topic if you're unconvinced about how those things can stack up, haha. If a PC can go "We have X many players, and the minimum post length was Y, this is how many FXP we get," then they can even track it themselves, like we do with our purchases and etc. The only time the staffers would need to get involved would be to audit now and then (or if something seemed fishy).

[Proto Man]

I plan to re-read this thread in its entirety, as player factions is an aspect of this site that I think has a lot of potential.

As Alex the member, I've thought a lot about it, and most of my concept revolved around factions earning 'influence' through writing stories together that (realistically) forwarded the overall narrative about their organization/settlement/whatever. After banking enough influence and meeting other criteria (I think I added requirements like member primes, artefacts, and certain base upgrades), a faction's overall fame would improve. My thoughts were also revolved around adding more base upgrades that increase functionality and size/scope of the base.

[Sasuke Uchiha]

Double post!!!

Also, staff will be grading them anyway because of the participation bonus, it's just another step they would take, adding a faction grade/exp.

What do you think of this proposal to minimize the workload of staffers:

I sort of just figured that having a more word # based system of earning FacXP would make it easier for both staffers and the groups to keep track of, as the staff already has a sort of tough time keeping up with quests and etc. It also gives the players a more reliable way of knowing how much they'll get. Take a look at the Bonus Request topic if you're unconvinced about how those things can stack up, haha. If a PC can go "We have X many players, and the minimum post length was Y, this is how many FXP we get," then they can even track it themselves, like we do with our purchases and etc. The only time the staffers would need to get involved would be to audit now and then (or if something seemed fishy).

I get where you are coming from, but you have to realize that any thread with multiple players in it qualifies for the bonus request, so any faction based thread will be getting submitted there anyway. Even if we created a whole new auto system, that thread would still need grading for the multiple participation grade. So, making a new system won't alleviate any work load for the staff.

So, in retrospect it's not adding to the workload, it's just adding a step to the grading process.

Recap: this idea allows for factions to submit faction based threads for grading in order to lvl up so that they may unlock the ability to offer different amounts of om as faction quest rewards per lvl. Also at some really high level the faction could take on a quest that rewards the faction an Essence of Omni. (Artifact of their choosing)

Edit: I am all for having the Faction/Verse-- Influence/Recognition discussion, but I feel that they are two separate ideas. Lvls and Influence. Not one or the other.

[Thaal Sinestro]

Right, but I'm also saying that people don't automatically apply for the Bonus, and that the bonus grading system takes forever. It's also not a new CODED system, it's not automatic, it's just something that the players can do for themselves, manually, instead of a mod having to do it. I mean, look at the bonus request thread, it's overwhelmed and the mods are already overburdened. Having a simple, reliable way for the Factions and players to have a way of gaining Faction EXP without the intervention of a mods grading things is like... pretty necessary. Especially considering that almost every thread that people within Factions write is with another player.

If you re-read the suggestion, I outline how the players themselves would be able to determine their own Faction EXP. If the players then want to ALSO turn it in for the Bonus Request thread, they can totally do that, but without having to worry that nobody will ever get around to reading their thread and awarding them FXP.

When it comes to the players making their own artifact, THAT can be approved like it would be approved through the Move Approval thread.

Additionally, I'm trying to talk about how to offer bonus OM, trying to think of ways to do it other than as something that the mods would have to grade. The CURRENT Quest turn in system takes weeks and weeks to get approved, so again, adding more for the Mods to do doesn't sound like it would work out very well. Do you want the Faction leaders to approve the thread? If it meets a word count and the Faction leader approves it, all a mod would have to do is add the OM, which only takes a couple minutes as opposed to having to read the thread, grade it, and then apply the bonus.

[Thaal Sinestro]

Like, TL;DR: The threads aren't ALWAYS auotmatically added to the bonus request forum, and if you look at the bonus request forum you'll see how long it takes to get those bonus, if they ever get put through at all. Assuming that a mod is going to be grading your thread for anything is not a reasonable expectation, so you need a system that the mods don't need to have a large and active part in.

[Sasuke Uchiha]

I guess, with the fact that not everyone submits their threads for the participation grade, then you're right this could be creating more work. I was looking at it from the aspect that the threads already had to be graded so creating a whole new system would just be work for us, not more for them cause they already had to do it.

Thinking about it now, I can see the problem you have been trying to prevent. Sorry I am so thick headed, lol. I like the idea of faction leaders being able to grade them, but how about this:

Faction leaders must grade the works of other factions, not their own. This eliminates the temptation to 'squeeze through the system'

So instead of staff having the responsibility, it would be the factions that looked after each other. Obviously we would need to come up with a grading module specifically for this that the faction leaders could follow while grading a faction thread for faction exp.

Thoughts on this?

[Thaal Sinestro]

I guess, with the fact that not everyone submits their threads for the participation grade, then you're right this could be creating more work. I was looking at it from the aspect that the threads already had to be graded so creating a whole new system would just be work for us, not more for them cause they already had to do it.

Thinking about it now, I can see the problem you have been trying to prevent. Sorry I am so thick headed, lol. I like the idea of faction leaders being able to grade them, but how about this:

Faction leaders must grade the works of other factions, not their own. This eliminates the temptation to 'squeeze through the system'

So instead of staff having the responsibility, it would be the factions that looked after each other. Obviously we would need to come up with a grading module specifically for this that the faction leaders could follow while grading a faction thread for faction exp.

Thoughts on this?

What would be the incentive for other factions to grade each other's threads? And what would prevent a rival faction from jsut shooting down the other person's thread just out of spite?

I feel like offering extra OM for quests is just sort of a way to give writers ideas for writing, and to incintivize people working and writing together, so even if people are "squeezing through," as long as a minimum word count has been set and people aren't flagrantly abusing the system, I don't see why it's such a bad idea to hand out a little bit of extra OM here and there.

I was worried about people playing favorites and getting extra OM too, but then I realized that if people are writing together and meeting word count minimums we've sort of accomplished the goal of quests, you know?

[Sasuke Uchiha]

I mean, I don't believe we would ever have a problem with faction leaders being petty or doing things out of spite. Considering the faction leaders are now Guu, Ganon, Gilg, and Nealaph, all of which have or are staff now, excluding Nealaph. I'd trust anyone of these people to grade a thread for me. (If their right hand man has to do the grade, that is still like Me and You kind of people that would be grading.)

Lastly, the incentive to do the grade? Simple, you want your faction threads graded right? You wanna lvl your faction up right? Then you have to do your part and grade other factions threads. There are at least 4 factions right now, so the pool of graders is almost has high as the pool of staff around here.

[Ms. Marvel]

This has been sitting here long enough that I am going to move it into the Staff Board to work out all of the kinks with this, but I wanted to let everyone know before I did, so that they could get any last input on it before we dismantle and rebuild it. Post here with any thoughts, ideas, or suggestions on the system.

In 72 hours it's gonna go into the staff torture chamber. xD

[Minato Namikaze]

Actually, I wouldn't move it to the Staff Forum as there are other things being worked on at the moment and this will probably get less attention there than it has been.

If it has been left this long then I would just lock the topic and wait for a later time to re-open it.

Edit: I didn't lock it because It's not a thread I should lock, I'll leave that to sasuke

[Ms. Marvel]

Actually, I wouldn't move it to the Staff Forum as there are other things being worked on at the moment and this will probably get less attention there than it has been.

If it has been left this long then I would just lock the topic and wait for a later time to re-open it.

Edit: I didn't lock it because It's not a thread I should lock, I'll leave that to sasuke

I have a bunch of stuff that will be hitting the staff forum, along with some stuff Proto talked with me about and this suggestion coincides with it, but I wanted to let everyone else add anything to this before I did. (I wasn't ever actually gonna move this thread, it was more of a hey, "Remember this, did you have any other suggestion on it before staff bend and break the idea to their will?" xD