Camelot vs Coruscant

[Revan Noctis]

Just wondering who you people think would actually win if these two factions went all out on one another. Obviously Omni physics make the war more fair but Coruscant has quite a number of military advantages. I would think that Darkshire Andrew the night elves would send aid if they thought Coruscant was making an attempt at overpowering  the kingdom though.

[Okor]

It would be a stalemate, like it has been for pretty much as long as anyone can remember. Coruscant's got Tech and Space Marines, Camelot's got Magic and all the Dragons/Golems/Elementals that implies. They won't go to war with each other unless one faction is severely weakened.

[The Humble Sage]

I've always been of the impression that the Empire has a more organized, active and larger military. that being said, I do agree with Okor that the situation would stalemate pretty quickly, partially because of how spread out the Kingdom's power is relative to the Empire. it would turn into a  "empire controls this part of the verse but can't really go after anything else or they will lose everything" kind of a situation.

again just my opinion

[Handsome Jack]

Camelot has more allies, but less territories. Coruscant is a bit more powerful, but those allies keep them in check. If they could keep the Greens and Moors out of the fight, they'd win. But it'd be a hard fight and they'd be ripe pickings for another Faction to finish off.

[Arle Nadja]

I would think that Omni physics would make all of the technicalities irrelevant, reducing such a war to a clash of titans with the most powerful primes battling to swing it in their favor. That just seems like the logical conclusion to all of this progression and careful balancing to create a balanced PVP environment.

That being said, if we completely ignore the intuitive answer and reduce it to war games, whichever one decides to invade the other's territory will be the loser. Simply put, if the invading party ever truly won and struck down the other it would basically require a site overhaul. One of the main settings would have just radically changed and possibly even ceased to exist as we know it. Wiping out a major setting and then just not replacing it with anything else to maintain diversity is somewhat unlikely to start with, but then you have to consider that if they did replace camelot or coruscant we'd just be back at square one with an unusually bloody story under our belt. It's a whole lot of work just to mess with our expectations, you know?

Simply having the attackers be unable to cleanly overpower the defenders and allowing both to go back to tensely co-existing afterwards is a much easier solution from a storytelling perspective, assuming an all out war broke out to begin with.

[Trixie]

I prefer having an entire zone wrecked and requiring a lore re-write. It would take minimal editing of the forum.

"This used to be Camelot. They dun got fucked."

[Skeletor]

I actually would agree with Trixie on this point. Although it would undoubtedly require work, it would be really cool to see the status quo broken in such a major way, (kinda like we saw with death mountain and volvagia) and see people dealing with the consequences. Helps to add a sense of history to the world.

[Hiro Protagonist]

I had an idea for a war saga in which the open fighting starts again, and allied Primes would have to pick a side. I think Darkshire showed that even though Illidan was defeated, there was definitely impetus for players to affect the status quo in a big way.

[Alex]

Coruscant. Hands down.

[Amaterasu]

Coruscant.  Hands down.

I mean, Coruscant could win and occupy Camelot but as has been noted by others, their forces (and more importantly, their Primes) would be stretched too thin across the verses to hold onto everything, wouldn't they? :frogpipe:

[Alex]

Why do they need to occupy everything? They just need to sack Minas Tirith and banish the central leadership. The rest of Camelot's a simple mop up job.

[Skeletor]

but half of Camelot's big leaders don't even hang in minas tirith? Masamune and Dumbledore at least don't generally stay in Minas Tirith. It would turn into a resistance kinda deal quickly I agree, but I don't know that it would be a done deal.

[Alex]

Masamune isn't a big deal, he's a regional leader.

And sorry, I tend to cram Dalaran in when I talk about Minas Tirith, since they're in the same region. But obviously Dalaran would have to be Archimonde'd

[Luci]

Camelot by a mile.

Imagine an empire raid on camelot.

Gets and tai fighters and such going heads up against dragons, stormtroopers on the ground against cavallry, sorcerers versus jedi, that kind of thing. According to omniverse rules, we would basically be lookng at a stalemate, or at least a hard-fought victory.

Now imagine a camelot raid in corruscant.

Dragons and Ghidorahs and shit rampaging through teir-1, 'mainframes' or whatever getting shut down, powerplants getting blown up, citiztens and the whole economic infrastructure collapsing. I feel like Camelot would have the advantage in this enviornment, but either way, even if they fought to a standstill, Corruscant would have a tough time repairing and getting ready for the next raid.

THis is because for Camelot forces, they can attack PLACES and seriouslly affect the military might and economy of Corruscant. Corruscant can't do that in the same way once they are in camelot; what are they gonna do, burn a bunch of farms until everyone holes up in a fortress for a last stand? Besides, Camelot is the good guys

No, by the laws of stories and omnilogic, it goes to Camelot.

[Skeletor]

I haven't gotten the sense that Camelot has a bunch of trained dragons lying around to call up and help them fight...

I agree that Camelot can do a lot more damage to Coruscant then vice versa, but that's really just because the Empire has that much more stuff they can take. I should also mention that with both of these situations we need to keep in mind that an invasion has to occur through one of the gates. Coruscant's gates are always depicted as being well guarded, and That really isn't the case I've seen with Camelot's gates. (maybe it's unintentional, but that's the sense I've gotten.)

And sure there is the possibility that a void gate or a secret gate could sneak forces into the lower tiers, but so far we haven't seen anything like that actually happen in the Omniverse, so it would probably be difficult to move an army through it without somebody finding out.

Also, are Camelot the good guys? Xavier is pretty sketchy man...

Basically, I want to think that Camelot has a chance at this, but they really don't in a long term open conflict.

[Trixie]

Camelot by a mile.

Imagine an empire raid on camelot.

Gets and tai fighters and such going heads up against dragons, stormtroopers on the ground against cavallry, sorcerers versus jedi, that kind of thing. According to omniverse rules, we would basically be lookng at a stalemate, or at least a hard-fought victory.

Now imagine a camelot raid in corruscant.

Dragons and Ghidorahs and shit rampaging through teir-1, 'mainframes' or whatever getting shut down, powerplants getting blown up, citiztens and the whole economic infrastructure collapsing. I feel like Camelot would have the advantage in this enviornment, but either way, even if they fought to a standstill, Corruscant would have a tough time repairing and getting ready for the next raid.

THis is because for Camelot forces, they can attack PLACES and seriouslly affect the military might and economy of Corruscant. Corruscant can't do that in the same way once they are in camelot; what are they gonna do, burn a bunch of farms until everyone holes up in a fortress for a last stand? Besides, Camelot is the good guys

No, by the laws of stories and omnilogic, it goes to Camelot.

Lol Camelot would do absolute fuck all to the infrastructure of Coruscant. Do you even know the mobilization capability of the Empire? They take mass production and large-scale mobilization to the next level. Camelot would be absolutely destroyed, razed, destroyed again, skull-fucked, and then summarily bombed into oblivion. Camelot has a major disadvantage, being that only Minas Tirath is a seat of power including Dalaran. The ENTIRE verse of Coruscant is the Empire seat of power. They can deploy to any Tier rapidly.

[Handsome Jack]

As I said, Coruscant is definitely stronger. No doubt. But Camelot has more allies. If Aragorn can call on the Greens and Darkshire for assistance, it'll be a much harder fight to win.

[Arle Nadja]

Wasn't the point of Omniphysics to eliminate any genre related advantages? Like, I get why numbers are important if you're a rogue prime taking on the world, but in the context of a war it seems strange to me that omniphysics wouldn't come back into play and make things like modern mass-production irrelevant. To an extent, wouldn't numbers in general at that scale be treated sort of like rapid fire attacks in that they aren't everything?

In order for a clean military victory to happen, one side has to be much stronger than the other or one side has to make some pretty big mistakes. With smaller differences in power it's not necessarily enough to break a stalemate. I still feel like "neither side technically 'wins'" is the logical answer here.

[Omni]

Omniphysics does sort of eliminate genre advantages. Coruscant's power comes from the fact that they decimated a verse in order to fuel mass-production (see the history of the Endless Dunes), among other things. Their power advantage is visible in their superior military strength and much greater quality of life, as long as you don't mind everything you do being watched.

Trying not to give an opinion here, just information.

[Arle Nadja]

Aaah--Now I understand. I mistook site history for a genre advantage because of the phrasing. Thank you, Omni!