Move Creation Workshop

[Trixie]

No. For the sake of fairness, anyone can make a rock match a bullet in speed. That does not mean that a normal rock thrown at a normal speed will match a bullet in properties.

I never argued that. I argued that the rock has the same potential. They can both do the same amount of damage given the right move. The rock needs to be in a move that goes "bullet speed" for it to travel that fast. Plus, depending on the weapon bullet speed changes tremendously. Nova, my NPC, has two Sniper Rifle moves that use extremely high power rounds that can dent Ultramarine Armor. That round, using real world logic, is moving well over 3000 feet a second. However because it's the Omniverse if someone tried to deflect it, it wouldn't matter. They could if they had the right skill set. 

CQC doesn't need foresight. But, the only reason you can use it to block a bullet (without foresight), is by seeing someone aiming and lifting your arm a bit early. If you're just chilling about, you can't suddenly lift an arm quick enough to block a bullet that's already in mid-flight (unless you had a really high SPD).

Agreed. The only reason I'd be able to do that off guard is because of Foresight, but remove that from the equation and yeah. I'd be caught off guard and undefended. That's a reasonable assumption. 

Rocks are typically slower and larger than bullets, so do act differently. If I make a gun the same as yours, but its bullets/lasers move at arrow speed (or slower) for some reason, mine would be stronger due to omnibalance (but also easier to dodge or deflect).

Yours would only be stronger if your ATK stat was higher. This only makes sense in the fact that, yes, not everyone is going to be throwing or shooting something at "bullet speed." It doesn't mean that if a move was written where a rock deflected an incoming projectile that it wouldn't though. It's implied. These are two different conversations. 

That does not mean a rock thrown at normal throwing speed would be fast enough, just that, if Vash wants, he could specify in his move that he throws it at bullet speed (or at whatever speed he needs to to block the projectile attack).

I don't think he'd need to say he throws it at bullet speed. It would be implied, based on what he's doing with the rock alone, that it's going to take effort and energy to pull off. 

A TEC of 4 is viable to deflect something. But it does not mean someone can suddenly just reflect any attack they want without a move that would allow them to. Throwing a rock at its normal speed would not allow him to block a bullet. An arrow, maybe. But not a bullet unless it was fired from pretty far away.

So, while Vash has the TEC, he would not be able to just toss up a rock to block a normal bullet. The action is too slow. It fundamentally doesn't make sense for him to be able to.

 I agree. The TEC stat itself even states you require a move. I also agree that he should be throwing the rock at a pretty hefty speed, like I said earlier, but I don't think he needs to have it in the move. An acceptable drawback is the strain on his arm.