Re: Technicalities within the Transformation/Stat rules

[Miranda Frost]

mmkay I think i had this issue because I myself had bought 2 or  3 stat unlocks. Here is what I did. When considering the stats for my alternate form, I placed the points, the ones I bought, where i had them originally. This is because they are Permanant upgrades, which gives me  10 points left to distribute.

+Basic, Defensive Oriented
Description: The difference between Her basic form and her other is the wieght weighing her down and defensive advantage it gives her. The long black coat she wears is full of a heavy experimental liquid that hardens when struck. Given the weight pulling her down at all times, she cannot perform at her highest speeds.
Stats:
ATK: 5
DEF: 4
SPD: 2 (1 permanent stat increase for SPD)
TEC: 1 (1 permanent stat increase for TEC)

+Speed Form (Heavy coat removed)
ATK: 5
DEF:1
SPD: 5
TEC:1

Though this one wasn't incredibly radical in change, I could not have given more than five for speed due to the fact I can't put more than 50% of my non-permanant points into one spot. Should I have bought an additional point for either attack or speed, then I would have been able to obtain 6 or more.  Though the rules may seem like they are counter-acting each other (and maybe they are) but it is all about your ability to interpret them. I hope this helped ya out  

Note; if a mod post something different here I apologize, just sharing personal experience on this matter

[Roger Smith]

• [3] Is the big one. From a purely RAW (Read as Written) point of view, it means that regardless of your base stats, you can't have more than 5 in a certain stat of your Alternate Form. It says "with one caveat – no single stat may exceed 5." not "You cannot assign more than half of the availible stat points into a single stat" or something like that.
  
  5. Five. Cinco.
  
  It also creates an unsolveable situation along [1] and [5] where if you have more than 20 base stat points, its impossible to create a legal alternate form (You can't put 6 in any stat, and you have to put at least that to fit in all your stats, but putting more than 5 is illegal - you're stuck). Again, just RAW, not RAI (read as intended. I understand the intent, but the rules per RAW don't describe it properly).
  
  Proposed Solution: Change "5" in [3] to "Half", "50%", or something.
  
  
  
• [2] (Which says that your base stats = 10) Is inconsistent with [4], which says that your base form can have more than 10 stat points (Thus, be different from 10).
  
  Proposed Solution: Change "Just like your base form, an alternate form has 10 stats" in [2] to something like "Your alternate form has as many statpoints as your base form. If it has 10, the alternate form will have 10 points as well.

The most important thing to keep in mind with this, I would think, is that going by a strict "read as written" approach is almost never a good idea to begin with, and I can't think of anyone who's done that yet, but of course I may be missing something.

That said, the rules, as they stand, are also written to reflect a brand-new character, whose base form only does have 10 stat points total. So yes, referring to the rules strictly as they are written could raise complexities and complications, naturally, but there are some things that make it easy enough to keep up with, even going strictly as written.

Perhaps it's just my way of thinking, but the particular bit about Alternate forms, stating "Just like your base form" sticks out to me. That implies that any changes you make to your base form carry over to any Alternate Forms, by a very simple leap of logic, otherwise you would need to re-buy any stat increases for those Alternate forms, and as such, there would be no point to having said Alternate Forms in the first place, or at least a diminished need/want for them.

Of course that still doesn't address the "no single stat may exceed 5" caveat. But I can provide a clear, as-written answer to that, as well.

From: <!-- l --><a class="postlink-local" href="http://omniverse-rpg.com/stats.php#Stats">stats.php#Stats</a><!-- l --> and in particular this little bit:

A single stat may be as low as ‘0’. You may not put more than half of your stat points into a single statistic. All characters begin with 10 stat points to distribute between their four stats, meaning that the maximum you may start with in any one stat is 5. Later, you'll be able to increase these stats through temporary transformations and permanent augmentations.

Notice the " You may not put more than half of your stat points into a single statistic." That is very plain and hard to misconstrue.

This does, of course, require reading across several pages and parts of the rules, but that's something most people will/should do anyway, so even going purely as-written, I see very little room for confusion or contradiction.

Of course, I'm not staff, nor can I guarantee that my personal way of thinking and leaps in logic will apply to everyone, so you're more than welcome to take this with a grain of salt -- or several.

mmkay I think i had this issue because I myself had bought 2 or 3 stat unlocks. Here is what I did. When considering the stats for my alternate form, I placed the points, the ones I bought, where i had them originally. This is because they are Permanant upgrades, which gives me 10 points left to distribute.

+Basic, Defensive Oriented
Description: The difference between Her basic form and her other is the wieght weighing her down and defensive advantage it gives her. The long black coat she wears is full of a heavy experimental liquid that hardens when struck. Given the weight pulling her down at all times, she cannot perform at her highest speeds.
Stats:
ATK: 5
DEF: 4
SPD: 2 (1 permanent stat increase for SPD)
TEC: 1 (1 permanent stat increase for TEC)

+Speed Form (Heavy coat removed)
ATK: 5
DEF:1
SPD: 5
TEC:1

Though this one wasn't incredibly radical in change, I could not have given more than five for speed due to the fact I can't put more than 50% of my non-permanant points into one spot. Should I have bought an additional point for either attack or speed, then I would have been able to obtain 6 or more. Though the rules may seem like they are counter-acting each other (and maybe they are) but it is all about your ability to interpret them. I hope this helped ya out

Note; if a mod post something different here I apologize, just sharing personal experience on this matter

In regards to this, as a personal thought: this is indeed one way to go about buying stat upgrades, and it's definitely an easy way to keep track of them, assigning them to a specific stat at time of purchase. I personally like it, and can see how it might be applicable to certain character choices or preferred methods of roleplaying.

It's not the only way to go about it, of course, but I just said that, I think...I'm rather tired, forgive me.

There is also the option of simply adding in purchased stats to the 'pool' of 10 when distributing new ones in an Alternate Form. In the case of Miranda, she'd have 12 stats to distribute total, giving a grand total of a possibility of 6 in any stat, but no more than that.

However you choose to do it is ultimately up to you, within the rules of course.

Just....y'know, adding a third cent to my two cents.

[Omni]

I honestly think it's less confusing to keep permanent stat upgrades out of the description. It's pretty obvious what the intent is. If you really want to get technical, then you distribute the 10 stats - just like a new character - then you add your bonuses, according to which none of your stats may exceed half of your points. It's really not that confusing.

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