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Re: PvP Flags - Sarah Kerrigan - 12-04-2015
was a typo was all. Or rather, me getting red and green mixed up in meaning XD
Re: PvP Flags - Bandit With No Name - 12-04-2015
I took it out of the main post right after Kakashi posted last night, but the roster link is totally redundant beings that there's one literally a few inches to the left of your post. I just forgot cuz i m dum
Re: PvP Flags - King Axorn - 12-04-2015
Red for now
Re: PvP Flags - Tartaros - 12-04-2015
Just gonna go say I'm GREEN, the orkiest colour! COME AND GET ME YA GITS! WAAAAAAAAAAGH! :orks: though I would honestly kinda appreciate it if you gave me a day's warning to plan any sort of actual timing and to agree on the rules
Re: PvP Flags - Kenpachi Zaraki - 12-04-2015
Going RED for Vincent for the time being. Updated in mah rostah.
Re: PvP Flags - Bandit With No Name - 12-05-2015
Updated for all the new ones! If your name isn't on the list, lemme know so I can correct it.
Also, I'mma just remind folks that, while it's not required, I totally suggest you put your Flag near the top of your Roster so that people see it RIGHT AWAY when they look at your page. I put it in my initial post with all the official stats so it didn't break the aesthetic of my standard Roster, but that's just me. Again, no obligation or anything, just a suggestion!
I'm so glad that people are finding this useful.
Re: PvP Flags - Black☆Star - 12-05-2015
I've gone with Yellow, only because I'd rather have some warning when people plan an attack on my eventual base.
Re: PvP Flags - Bandit With No Name - 12-05-2015
Iskandar Wrote:I've gone with Yellow, only because I'd rather have some warning when people plan an attack on my eventual base.What' you're describing is a RED flag. IE: If you'd rather people talk to you first. YELLOW is only for when you are transitioning between GREEN and RED.
Re: PvP Flags - Deadpool - 12-05-2015
I'm Green 24/7. Try me and get fucked up, ya'heard?
Re: PvP Flags - Black☆Star - 12-05-2015
Bandit With No Name Wrote:Iskandar Wrote:I've gone with Yellow, only because I'd rather have some warning when people plan an attack on my eventual base.What' you're describing is a RED flag. IE: If you'd rather people talk to you first. YELLOW is only for when you are transitioning between GREEN and RED.
*nods* changed to RED in that case!
Re: PvP Flags - Bandit With No Name - 12-05-2015
Cool! I'll update you both!
Re: PvP Flags - Bandit With No Name - 12-05-2015
Updated the OP to clarify what each of the Flags signify in terms of your preference.
Re: PvP Flags - Schwi Dola - 12-05-2015
How about this.
Having this 'optional' system out here to make people decide whether or not to ignore your preferences on PvP, (assuming you can even be attacked in PvP. That list includes Bounties and people with Bases) and all...
The whole concept promotes public shaming, complaining, and other big issues with forcing it to be a very public issue. Saying otherwise doesn't mean as much as what you are actually doing.
Your preferences are fine, but the rules are spelled out pretty clearly and this kind of thing makes people feel guilty for wanting to follow the rules and be in character by invading or seeking bounties. I find that to be extremely discourteous.
You can do as you please but I'll tell you now I'll have no part of this. I would already follow these preferences in my own actions to an extent. In that I would choose to delay an attack for a more appropriate time or arrange a more relaxed ruleset (like with Magus). But this kind of thing takes it too far, unless it was officially ratified. Which sure, a less forceful PvP system would be fine. If that is what Omni wanted to have.
Re: PvP Flags - Minato Namikaze - 12-05-2015
Now, this is a story all about how
My patience got flipped-turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute
Just sit right there
I'll tell you how you're misinterpreting this...
Firstly, let me point you to the Fighting And Competition Rules. Specifically the Initiating Fights section.
Within the first couple of sentences, literally the first two, it says this;
Quote:Fights usually start in official storylines and are agreed on by both players. Other times they are the result of a base assault or a bounty being placed, or often simply as an In-Character grudge or dispute.
So, when we look at this, we see that PvP fights are usually a result of an agreement from both participating parties. Or, if this isn't the case, it is a result of being in a situation that you have put yourself in. Owning a base, or getting a bounty, these two circumstances put you under constant threat of unavoidable PvP, this is how it works. They are also situations that you put yourself in. You could argue that having a bounty isn't by choice, but it was the player's choice to attack that Storm Trooper, or those innocent Camelot citizens etc.
Now, with that being said, I do notice a lot of respect coming from the community. One such example being the fact that Luffy was allowed to keep his boots (his artefact) after his loss in the Camelot tournament. This wasn't an executive decision made by Proto or Omni, but one of respect made by Okor. Thaal recognizes this respect and came up with this, completely optional, system for people to let their preferences be known.
In saying this, I also realize that there are some people that will not always go by another person's preferences. But this thread helps people to display their preferences without making a big deal about it when the inevitable does happen.
In saying all that, this Idea is not Official. It has not been added to the rules. It is a completely optional addition, and I do not think it is something that should be added to the Rules. Whether you're displaying Red, Yellow, or Green, no one is breaking any rules by attacking you. None at all.
In my own opinion, I think this is a well thought out Idea. I think Thaal has taken a lot of time and effort into puting this together. Not to mention all the opinions he has considered. It is fine if you don't want to participate, but he was just trying to help people, and I think that it is completely and utterly disrespectful of you to try and poke holes and assign problems where there are none.
I'm going to be completely honest with you here Desco. But the only person that has found any issue with this thread and it's ideas, the only person that has even mentioned the promotion of Public Shaming and Complaining, has been you.
Re: PvP Flags - Schwi Dola - 12-05-2015
Because the whole concept starts with you saying you do not want to get into a forced fight. Sorting out who does and does not want to fight. It then remains painfully obvious who chooses to ignore these preferences and pursue a bounty. These actions should speak for themselves. Holding up these things higher than the rules.
How do you imagine this system actually playing out? Don't you think this would happen in chat?
Guy: Hey how's it going
Bob: Not bad you.
Sal: OOC Bounty Thread - Dude vs Sal
Bob: Wasn't Dude Red Flagged?
Guy: I thought he didn't want to fight, he's in the middle of finding the Void Entrance.
Some drama is going to happen either way when a PvP fight starts with an unwilling target. But this system suddenly puts all of that into a spotlight.
Re: PvP Flags - Minato Namikaze - 12-05-2015
Desco Wrote:Because the whole concept starts with you saying you do not want to get into a forced fight. Sorting out who does and does not want to fight. It then remains painfully obvious who chooses to ignore these preferences and pursue a bounty. These actions should speak for themselves. Holding up these things higher than the rules.
How do you imagine this system actually playing out? Don't you think this would happen in chat?
Guy: Hey how's it going
Bob: Not bad you.
Sal: OOC Bounty Thread - Dude vs Sal
Bob: Wasn't Dude Red Flagged?
Guy: I thought he didn't want to fight, he's in the middle of finding the Void Entrance.
Some drama is going to happen either way when a PvP fight starts with an unwilling target. But this system suddenly puts all of that into a spotlight.
Quote:So, when we look at this, we see that PvP fights are usually a result of an agreement from both participating parties. Or, if this isn't the case, it is a result of being in a situation that you have put yourself in. Owning a base, or getting a bounty, these two circumstances put you under constant threat of unavoidable PvP, this is how it works.
It's like you just skimmed my post Desco.
Having a bounty, or owning a base are the only two circumstances in which you do not have a choice in the matter. Of course, this optional system will assist you in avoiding it for a time (if you were in a storyline that you want to finish before being hunted down), but it will not help you completely avoid it.
Also, if you go back and read the OP, there's nothing saying that flagging yourself as read means you don't want to PvP. It means that you want to be notified before you get attacked.
Re: PvP Flags - Schwi Dola - 12-05-2015
Quote:It's like you just skimmed my post Desco.
Maybe you missed that I said all that about which situations are forced PvP before you did.
Quote:(assuming you can even be attacked in PvP. That list includes Bounties and people with Bases)
Quote:It means that you want to be notified before you get attacked.Making them ask first, getting permission to have a PvP fight from the other person before doing it. Following that they may refuse to fight.
To end this, if you really want to get rid of forced PvP convince Omni to write it out of the rules. Making it socially unacceptable is not the way to go.
Until then the rules have a last resort for situations where PvP is being used unfairly against you. Which is to contact staff about it.
Re: PvP Flags - 2B - 12-05-2015
But but but.. It's not even that much about asking.. It's just that.. "Please don't jump on me. Inform me ahead of time."
Re: PvP Flags - Bandit With No Name - 12-05-2015
Hey, Desco, I've heard your concerns. Cool.
Like, I also HARD wish you'd just stop talking now. You're concerns have been heard.
Re: PvP Flags - Schwi Dola - 12-05-2015
Arthuria Pendragon Wrote:But but but.. It's not even that much about asking.. It's just that.. "Please don't jump on me. Inform me ahead of time."
To Quote the OP
Quote:Basically, it's a PvP flag. It says, "I would prefer to," or "I would prefer NOT to" participate in random site PvP.
The Flag is 'I Don't Want to Fight' when red.
Its trying to raise the bar socially, so that people don't just go around attacking people with 72 hours notice like the rules allow. Great, its fine to talk to people about it in chat. Its not a bad idea to have those rules change to something more lenient. It is a bad idea to sort everyone on the forum to who wants to do PvP and who doesn't in a list everyone can see to make it so anyone that even considers doing PvP feel out of place when they decide to ignore a target's flag.