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Code: [url=http://omniverse-rpg.com/showthread.php?tid=0]Link to topic - name[/url] And finally .... THIS FORTNIGHT'S STORY
More Coruscant shenanigans? Who DOESN'T love those? I welcome Android 17, All Might, Trixie, and Cell (When Handsome Jack was Cell) to the spotlight! Sense and Sensibility and Stormtroopers No Word count this time, Not worrying about grading this time around because the thread already received bonuses. Just doing it for the Review. It's quite long, so just review what you can manage (as long as it's more than just a few posts, please try and read enough to give everyone feedback). RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - Lucas Kellan - 05-21-2018 I present to you guys, Shadow Marshal Lucas Kellan's first taste of the Omniverse. http://omniverse-rpg.com/showthread.php?tid=10137&pid=132741#pid132741 Shadows of the Nexus Total character count including spaces (excluding bbcode, images, etcetera), please make sure this is per character, not as a whole:6366 Total word count (excluding bbcode, images, etcetera) please make sure this is per character, not as a whole: 1133 Quest or Personal Storyline? Personal Storyline Participating characters (please list): Lucas Kellan RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - Little Ghost - 05-22-2018 Ok, first time I do this. Mind, this will be separated into two or three posts, as I formulate my thoughts a bit better. So, to start things: Trixie. I really like the characterisation you've got going here, the implied stresses that Trixie has been feeling and her work to try and achieve some form of peace in her life, especially to the background of her stay in the Underverse. The emotions reach me through the screen, which helps to really paint the scene from those initial snippets about the surroundings. Trixie feels appropriately tortured, Dredd is sufficiently scary, and Palpatine is his conniving, ever evil self. In a way it could be said that viewing these characters from Trixie's lens adds colour to a black, grey, and white picture, giving depth to the world. One thing that jumps out at me as I read is the way you seem to switch names for the secondary characters in the scene. It is slightly unclear if Nova, Beatrice, and Terra are separate people or one person if you haven't read Trixie's previous threads or the backstory/dramatis personae section of her roster. That I still feel for the characters, and upon reading more I would likely begin to actively care about their fate/happiness, is a testament to how well you frame their mindsets. With the few issues I have here being so minor, I feel that Trixie deserves a reward for great writing, at least. Ok, one down! EDIT: Let's continue this with the next participants: Android 17. It has been a long time since I came into contact with DBZ outside of Team Four Star's fantastic parody series, so this is a fresh breath of air! Diving into your characterization, I get the instant feel, even before I get to the posts with All Might or Cell, that 17 really chafes in his role as an empire attack dog. At first the humour, sarcasm, and general disregard for things comes across as a bit jarring but as you progress in he thread it becomes clear that this is the attempts of a good man to try and justify his actions while he pays back a debt he owes. His sadness when confronted with the outcome of his fight with All Might, his unsettled feelings when confronted by Cell's "GET IN MAH BELLEY!!!", it all comes together beautifully. When it comes to negative aspects, there are a few more spelling mistakes than in Trixie's posts, but for contrast there is never really any point where I felt confused about who was the subject of any given sentence or segment. Another candidate for a great writing reward, in my opinion. All Might. For all his appearance as an imposing hulk of a man, All Might is a person trying to be genuinely good. He feels passionately about the ideal of Hero's version of Noblesse Oblige, those with power have a responsibility to protect those weaker than them, and this shows through your writing. Much like when I read the manga and watched the anime the scenes when All Might cuts loose to stand for his beliefs send a shiver down my spine. You capture that conviction, that sheer willpower, really well! I can tell that All Might regrets the fight with Android 17, but knowing it is the only way to perhaps reach him, he gives it his all unto death, desperately trying to affect change within the Android so that his own death might not be meaningless. Even if death is quite a lot cheaper for Primes in the Omniverse than for others... Had there been more words in the thread, I would recommend a great writing award here. Cell. The writing hits many of the points I've made about the other characters. Much like 17, Cell appears to have a rather humouristic outlook on life in the Omniverse. In contrast, Cell's view is markedly more... twisted than that of his alt-universe brother. You manage to very clearly make Cell's near single mindedness apparent in his thoughts and behaviours, for even if he tries to put up airs, or wants to experience more things, his drive for perfection is still the main driving force. I like how you manage to properly impress upon the reader how creepy Cell is. Speaking of, the first person view really works here. The posts are clear and concise, and befitting the first person narrative you keep the motivations of other characters mostly inscrutable, which makes for a compelling read. Give this man a great writing award! Man, I'm starting to feel like a broken record... In closing, I would say that the entire thread seems very much full of win, from the way that you guys make me feel the emotional turmoil of your characters to the way you managed to make me chuckle (looking at you, Cell). As a whole whole it paints a compelling picture of Coruscant's workings from the view of the cogs trapped in the great machine, to the view of those interested in bringing it to a halt, to those who care nothing for it all but their personal goals. EDIT2: And I just now noticed that the grading part wasn't needed here... Oops? RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - Shantotto - 06-01-2018 Second one for the great and mighty Doctor Shantotto. I read a decent portion of this thread, and boy was it a doozy, To trixie, cell and mr android mc robo man and mr all might, I commend you all on the level of writing you all displayed, it makes those of us who are looking to improve look to strive to your levels of writing prowess. to start out im just gonna pick out some things that i like, because this thread has so few things I would change. so first off I love the way every aspect of coruscant is portrayed all across the board, each character brings a different life to the place but the common descriptions always make me think im reading the old Star wars books. that is a good thing. i feel like each character especially Trixie experiences very heavy physical and mental burdens. In regards to the two DBZ characters. I enjoyed both of you and the conflict between you both was well written and i especially liked how 17's thoughts were portrayed, the sarcasm early on really helped me like him. Cell, You fucking creeped me out, in a good way, its like you slithered into his mind and easily pulled each action out as if it came to you naturally. and lastly All might, Ive never seen your writing before so i kinda had to go back over your posts. I feel like you went after the sort of jojo from Jojos bizzare adventure sort of vibe with him in here, its hard to explain. But, my favorite part of this entire thread was the Gran Torino reference. Great bonus to all and to all a good night RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - Wyatt the Swift - 06-01-2018 Trixie: You're doing a great job at creating scenery but a small comment is that you missed a few commas which made me have to reread a few of your sentences. Also you're getting much better at writing cute shit. Trixie Nova OTP.Yeah just from your first post, catching your sentences in which need commas would tie the entire thing together. You've improved a lot since i've last read. Android 17: Like always, you manage to write such great humor it lightens the thread. You know how to set up jokes, commit to the punchline, and keep the plot developing and it makes it so enjoyable to read. Even just in your first post your humor doesn't get old and makes the post so nice to read. Also you're fucking good at drama too. What the hell. Alex what aren't you good at. That's so sad. All might nooooooooooooooooo. ![]() All Might: I'm not familiar with the source material but your character is such a fucking good guy its hilarious. I love it. Small comment is that you monalague a bit. Your conversation with Android was a bit one sided and it would be a bit easier to read if there was some interchange even if it was stuff like "mhm' or something. You create interesting combat. Good job. It's super nice to read. I usually am not able to write good dialogue in the middle of a fight scene. You are such a good guy even in the end. Cell: You could do with a bit more proofreading. Some small errors here and there but nothing too distracting. Also you could do with a bit more transitions. I've seen you skip on some important details that would have been nice and guiding for the reader. The first person is also a bit jarring. It's kinda like your narrating from the future and it reads a little weird. Also sometimes the lisp is kinda hard to read. I know its your character but its very distracting. Overall: This is a real fun thread with some real comedy and Drama. The hero complex of All Might and the Anti-Hero complex of 17 complement each other guest starring Cell as plot twist villian at the end. The trixie posts were also great as well but those were less common. give me that sweet OM for Atelos please RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - Kuzuru - 06-01-2018 So I'm going to include a Post-by-post first impression analysis kind of thing as well as a few bits directed towards each writer individually. Post-by-Post [spoiler]Post 1 - Android 17 I like the idea of the opening line, but I think Seventeen’s interjection took some of the wind out of it. Also, this is minor, but I believe Jedi should be capitalized. I’m assuming there was a precursor to this thread and that a lot of the facility’s description was already hashed out, that said a bit more attention to the setting would be nice. As it is I’m imagining two giant ships crashing down through a big glass roof, but I’ve got no idea where this whole thing is taking place. Your dialogue is very good, I especially like that Bianca did not answer Trixie right away, and instead deflected to add some suspense. Well done. Seventeen’s memories were nice. I’m glad they didn’t last too long, not that I think they were bad, but I think it’s really easy to fall into the trap of offloading a ton of unnecessary backstory exposition. You did a good job at keeping it brief, but still giving us a peak in 17’s past. Post 2 - Trixie Great job keeping things passionate without straying into cringe territory, I personally think that’s a tough balancing act and you did well with it. Nice and succinct, but still powerful. Not too much more to say, solid post. Post 3 - Android 17 Good descriptions of Tier 5, I like ‘em. A couple small grammer and spelling issues at the start, nothing major and nothing that couldn’t be fixed with a once-over. Again your dialogue is very strong. You do a great job highlighting Trixie’s and 17’s relationship. Post 4 - Android 17 Solid post all around. No criticism that I can pull up. Post 5 - All Might Minor thing, but a dialogue tag with Might’s first line would be nice. I know you find out who is talking in the next line or two, but the less work I have to do to attach dialogue with people, especially characters who were just introduced, the better. This is more of a pet peeve than anything, but I think it’s a trap a lot of people fall into. In my opinion ellipses should be avoided like the plague and used only when absolutely necessary. I understand what you’re using them for, but I think you can add a natural pause in dialogue in a much more elegant way than an ellipses. Here are a couple examples using your dialogue. ORIGINAL Might looked at the message, eyes intense. "...Well, he seems like a reasonable type of guy, from what we heard. He wants to 'settle this like grownups', I'll give him the chance." REWRITE Might stared at the message for a moment or two before answering, “well, he seems like a reasonable type of guy ---- ORIGINAL "We got it Might... and... thank you." Panda said. REWRITE “We got it Might, and,” Panda said, paused, and continued, “thank you.” Your dialogue does get much better in the second half, but the first half felt like everyone was Christopher Walken. I love the business card! That shit is hilarious and a great use of style. Post 6 - Android 17 I wanna reiterate, your dialogue is solid af. Especially love this bit - Seventeen nodded his head. “Looks that way.” He muttered as he summoned a sphere of ki and looked at it for a few moments before letting it fizzle out into the air. “You’re supposed to be made into an example.” Post 7 - Android 17 Great opening, you did a good job illustrating 17’s distaste and apathy towards this whole thing. One thing I’d be careful with is the use of “machine-hybrid” to describe 17. It’s a good pronoun, don;t’ get me wrong, but you’ll was to use it sparingly because of how clunky it is. You used it three times right after one another and it definitely lost its luster. Post 8 - All Might Ha, I like that opening line. It sets a good tone for Might’s characterization and his approach to fighting. Would’ve like a bit more description of 17’s super move. Seemed like you glossed over it for the sake of rushing into Might’s spotlight moment. Decent post, could use a bit of polishing, especially with almost 30 words left over. Post 9 - Android 17 Not much to say, I caught a small spelling error at the start, but other than that everything else was solid. Post 10 - All Might I really really like the first half. All Might’s impression of Seventeen and their short-live clash was well executed. Personally I didn’t like the quote tag in the middle of the post, it threw off some of the flow, but that’s just me. Fun post, and well done. I think this might be your strongest one. Post 11 - Android 17 Again you use “machine-hybrid” a couple times in short succession. Not horrible, but breaks the flow slightly. The ending was suitably violent for a fight between these two, getting smacked with a car was a good choice. Post 12 - All Might I have very little knowledge of All Might’s universe, but I must say I really have a soft spot for characters like him. You do a good job making him likeable. I don’t like the way this is worded -- “I think I’ve had enough of being ragdolled big guy. You gave it the college try, though.” I can’t put my finger on it, but I think the last half is kinda awkward. Try saying it out loud to get a feel for how it kinda feels odd. I’d suggest removing it or working it in a bit smoother. Post 13 - Android 17 Great ending to a fun fight! Just some nitpicky spelling errors here, but I’m not too worried about them. Post 14 - Android 17 Solid post, no real critique to be had. Post 15 - Cell This whole sequence was written well, and the only issue I have with it is how easy Cell finds Seventeen. Yeah I know he was high-profile at the time and all that fun metagame shenanigans, but storywise it was a bit boring to have Cell pull “my daddy works at Nintendo so you better tell me where 17 is”. As I said the writing itself was strong I only have a gripe with the lack of meat and potates. Post 16 - Cell I like the interaction you had going on between the 17 and Cell, the opening really does a good job of setting the scene. The second bit started to sag and in the words of Seventeen “I hate monlogues.” Not that you can’t use a good chunk of the fight post for talky bits, but a lot of it felt like filler. Another tidbit is that your dialogue can be rough to follow at times. I know you’re limited in space, especially with Cell’s lisp, but condensing some of the dialogue down and putting description spacers between it would help with the readability quite a bit. Post 17 - Android 17 Maybe I’m a dumb, but I think I’m missing some context with the opening exchange between Cell and 17. “You’re not supposed to do that, mine can’t do that.” What can’t do what? Good choice having Seventeen flee rather than fight. It doesn’t seem out of character at all, especially given that he had just fought Might hours earlier. I’m glad it wasn’t brushed off and Seventeen started with a fresh slate. Post 18 - Cell Ha, that opening bit with the Jamaican DNA is gold, my only gripe is the second line takes a bit of thunder out of it. Your control of dialogue is much stronger in this post than the first one. Post 19 - Trxie Glad to get a glimpse into Trixie’s mind in the wake of Cell’s ambush. All-in-all good post, the throwback to her past felt slightly on the nose, but it wasn’t terrible or anything. Post 20 - Android 17 Really not much here to pick apart. Your writing is solid and you do a good job of packing detail in small spaces. My two biggest issues (and mind you they aren’t that big). One you used the old cliched “Hahaha, you fool, you missed me with your strongest move, oh wait you weren’t actually aiming for me.” card. Two the last few sentences felt like filler to meet the wordcount. I mean yeah you set the scene for Cell to have you use the power sword in his post, but I felt your post would’ve ended stronger if it was cut after the explosion. Post 21 - Cell This could’ve used a bit more polish, especially at the beginning. Cell tells me that Seventeen’s attack hurt, but other than a line or two the explosion is brushed off. You don’t have to use all 1000 words, but a bit more description about how Cell is burnt or beat up or winded would be a nice fit. Your dialogue between them is fun and well written, plus I really like that you address the fact that death isn’t the end for a prime. I feel like too many primes ignore the fact that they essentially have infinite lives and it’s nice to have one that uses it as a bargaining chip. Post 22 - Android 17 There isn’t much to dislike here, I’m glad you chose to keep Seventeen on the run rather than have him miraculously pull stamina out of his ass. The last half where Cell is hunting him feels like a proper life and death hunt so good job there. There were a couple lines that had minor issues I’d like to address I’ll list two here that I think share a similar problem. Please don’t think I’m nitpicking, it's just that with such a solid grasp of writing it really comes down to dissecting these small hiccups in my opinion. There was clear and distinct laboriousness to the cyborg’s movements that made him seem much like a wounded gazelle trying to flee from the pride of lions steadily encircling him. He and Cell exchanged another salvo that left both of them diving to the wayside to avoid shots to the face. Both of them seem bloated with a few unnecessary words. Here are some rewrites with the extra words removed. There was distinct laboriousness to the cyborg’s movements that made him seem like a wounded gazelle trying to flee from the pride of lions. They exchanged another salvo that left both of them diving to the wayside. I don’t think this is a common issue for you so I won’t harp on you too much, but often times it helps to re-read your work and try to slice away anything that is unnecessary fluff. Post 23 - Android 17 Heh nice callback to Agent Smith. Again a great ending to a fantastic fight. Just as Cell did you touched on aspects of the Omniverse and how they relate to the characters within which is always a +1 in my book. My only gripe, and I should’ve mentioned this in the last post too, but I’m having a hard time picturing the sprinkler system obscuring vision. I understand that an Iso verse is grayscale and all, but even then I’m having a hard time picturing a trained fighter losing track of someone in what amounts to slightly darker rain. Maybe I missed a key piece of explanation somewhere or I’m not imaginative enough, but it just feels a bit odd. Post 24 - Android 17 Solid post, no complaints, well paced too. Post 25 - Trixie I don’t like the little flashback at the start. Don’t get me wrong, it was written well, but opening with it and then another flashback before jumping to present day was a bit jarring. That aside your description of Trixie vs Chun Li was ace. It can be incredibly difficult to write martial arts and hand-to-hand grappling, but you did an excellent job with it. One of my favorite passages in this thread. Post 26 - Android 17 Dude you need to make more mistakes, I feel lazy writing solid post everytime. Post 27 - Android 17 See above. For real though you’re amazing at creating this little slice-of-life moments that flavor your characters exceptionally well. You have a really good grasp at what makes Seventeen tick. Post 28 - Android 17 This passage left me confused. “Get changed.” She instructed. “You’ll be receiving your team placements by the digital, so keep an eye on your tablet or your handheld. Lieutenant wants me back here,” the woman’s facial features made it clear how enthused she would be leading a mission from their base of operations. “I need to ‘acquire experience leading from behind the front’.” I think it should’ve been split into two sentences or reworked entirely. Additionally I’m not sure if the “I need to acquire experience….” bit was actually said or if it was an air quotes kind of thing. I’m leaning towards the latter, but all-in-all I think this could be revised. Post 29 - Android 17 Seems odd that Seventeen would even bother with a blaster considering he can shoot laser beams himself. I’m liking the idea of Slo-Mo, hopefully it gets played upon in the future posts. Post 30 - Android 17 Damn that went 0 to 100 real fukken quick. Jesus this fight has a lot of skull popping. Shame that Seventeen’s greenie friend died. That ending was out of nowhere, I don’t dislike it yet, but I want to see where it goes in the next post. Post 31 - Android 17 Ehhhh, I’m not sure how I feel about ending the last post so abruptly. You explain what happened, but it kind of feels, I don’t know, cheap? Maybe? You have this super tense action scene and end it with something akin to “rocks fall and everyone dies.” Maybe a paragraph or two of the aftermath would’ve alleviated this, or something along those lines. That aside this is an intriguing post and gives us a good glimpse into the upper crust of Coruscant. Post 32 - Android 17 Solid post sprinkled with good backstory. Post 33 - Trixie Not much here to talk about. The last bit was abrupt as all hell and took me a second read to realize what had happened. Some unpacking of details would be nice. Post 34 - Trixie Holy fuck that was brutal. I like it, I like it a lot. My only gripe is that this whole sequence felt a bit rushed. Some more visceral descriptions would’ve been nice, especially when Emperor Peppertine was interrogating her. Still I like seeing snippets of the big names of Coruscant. Post 35 - Android 17 Cliffhanger ending on a fun thread, I like it. [/spoiler] Android 17 [spoiler] You're a great writer all around so much of my critique is going to be on the small things. I'm not sure how much revision you do with your work, but I think it wouldn't hurt for you to re-read your writing scanning for silly grammar/spelling mistakes, there isn't many, but they are there. Additionally I think you'd do well to work on cutting the fat out of some of your sentences, again this isn't something you're terrible about, but a few sentences had unnecessary fluff in them. A bit of advice that you might not agree with, but I personally try to cut out as many adverbs as I can I find more often than not I'm using them as a crutch because I don't think the writer will understand what I'm trying to convey with a certain action. Again that is a more personal tip that you may disagree with, but its all I got.[/spoiler] All Might [spoiler] You've got a lot of heart and bring All Might to life with your writing. My biggest concerns with your writing is the actual construction of your dialogue. A lot of it feels a bit jumbled and it can be a bit hard tracking who is saying what. Unfortunately there is no silver bullet for this, I'd recommend going through the post-by-post I added because most of this is just small issue exacerbating one another. That said you've got a lot of potential and stood toe-to-toe with one of the best writers on the site so kudos to you![/spoiler] Cell [spoiler] My man your interpretation of Cell is a work of art. I've got a soft spot for quirky light-hearted villains and you scratch that itch well. Your characterization is top-notch, but some of your writing seems a bit rushed. Several fight posts glossed over some set-pieces that I think deserved a bit more time. I think you'd benefit from slowing down and breaking apart your scenes to really squeeze that flavor juice out of them. Make Cell's world as vibrant as you make him.[/spoiler] Trixie [spoiler] You're a solid writer all around and much like Seventeen I have no major gripes with your work. One thing I noticed is that you use flashbacks quite a bit to allude to your character's past, which is fine, but you have to be careful that they don't break up the flow/continuity of the current scenes. Maybe work on slipping smaller, subtler hints at her past into your writing rather than paragraphs of exposition. Despite that your actual writing quality is fantastic and you do a great job at describing physical actions. Trixie's fight with Chun Li was one of the best described tussles I've had the pleasure to read.[/spoiler] I'd like to submit a thread of my own for consideration Two Idiots and a Deathwish Total character count: 71,385 Total word count: 12,783 Quest or Personal Storyline: Personal Participating characters (please list): Kuzuru (NPCS) RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - Yu Kanda - 06-02-2018 Let me start off by saying, what the actual fuck? This was a monster of a thread. This story could have easily be split into four different threads and still get four times phat om bonus. This isn’t a normal thread that you find here by the dozen, this is one of those threads that keeps surprising you. before i talk about the thread let me just say this. How am i, a mid tier writer, suppose to review and critique a piece of art written by some of the most talented writers on this site? I mean i can’t give these guys grammar or spelling tips, they are the ones that have been teaching me! And with that, we come to my first point. This thread isn't to make those guys better writers, it's a way to teach us how to become better writers. Except for maybe comedy, it was quite a serious thread. For many of us this thread is a perfect example as a reference for when writing your own posts. The grammar, flow and character building was all of a high level. The story went from casually drinking a beer towards Brawl #1, Brawl#2, riots, interrogations and some insane character building by seventeen and Trixie. Again i can't really point out big flaws, because i can't find any. but i can tell you the parts that popped out for me. First one was All mights card, i loved how it’s design was actually shown in the post.It was a little detail that made the post authentic. The military vibe both Seventeen and Trixie managed to keep alive before and after the fights was truly amazing. Not only their dynamic contributed but the fact that Seventeen was still new to his role and was working his way through it was well thought out. Jeff’s portrayal of Cell was great, I had followed his story from DA17 and seeing him being this close to getting his new form excited me. The fight had great dialogue on his end, it was what set the right mood. leave it to Jeff to lift the conversations to a higher standard. The finale….what a heartbreaker...even quoting your previous character before being send off? Fuck you Jeff! I have been missing Smith since he disappeared…..Too early Seventeen’s story takes leaps in this thread, at first he is reluctant and having some sort of conflict regarding the tasks the empire has in store for him ( Going after All Might seriously bugged him). But at the end of the thread he comes across more comfortable with, as he puts it, community service. With a long ass thread as this one you expect character progression and that's exactly what you get with seventeen. Trixie, my favorite Femme fatale of the OV and the true imperial ( ![]() All the cameos and winks towards others….Talk about the avengers...judge dredd appearing..And other pale high end characters ![]() Enough ego stroking. For others...please read this if you want to improve your own writing. RE: NEO HYPER Book Club #7 (20th May - 3rd June) - The Vision - 06-03-2018 Rewards have been distributed! Little Ghost - 300 Shantotto - 300 Atelos - 300 Kuzuru - 300 Yu Kanda - 300 |