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Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Schwi Dola - 10-13-2017
So as I understand it summoning secondaries follows these rules.
1) Your character has to use Omnilium to summon.
2) Your character needs to understand who they are summoning.
3) The summoned Secondary doesn't know anything your character doesn't know.
4) It takes time to summon.
5) Somehow Accidents can occur.
What I want to know is..
How much can a Prime manipulate their secondary subject? If given an unlimited OM supply, how much could Schwi modify her husband to suit her own ideas? Namely I'm going to have her exploring the conceptual material of Omnilium by thinking about it, as Omnilium provides feedback she can experimentally discover the exact mechanics of Omnilium and without actually spending it. Specifically she will consider how she wants to summon her husband in an undamaged form. Correct the permanent crippling damage, including a missing arm and body-wide scar tissue, before she summons him. Identify with some certainty that Omnilium is a creation process not a true summoning so Schwi will know that she isn't bringing Riku back but creating a conceptually identical being. Due to her mechanical nature and specialization as an Analysis model, this would be only natural for her to accomplish.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Omni - 10-13-2017
No 3 is not necessarily true. As long as the character knows the person they're summoning on a personal level, or knows what they should be, they can generally summon to their heart's content. It's a deliberately vague subject in some respects, to allow for maximum freedom.
If Schwi wanted to try and do that stuff, she could. Bear in mind that summoning is sometimes unconscious, and parts can't always be controlled in such a deliberate way especially when it comes to individuals - sometimes the result will be based on the idea with the strongest feeling, the strongest memory of that person, etcetera. Summoning is a very inexact science. That's more to give you ideas on writing, but for example, Proto Man inadvertently summoned a bunch of NPCs from his world while asleep, actual antagonists for the most part. Samus summoned her previous Commanding Officer Adam Malkovich, but it was as an AI, his last form, not as a human (which he'd probably prefer, on the whole ...).
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - PepsiYuuka - 10-13-2017
Since this is also about secondaries and kind of related to the above about how much secondaries know...
So if my prime is summoning a secondary and they think "some amount of time must have passed in my world since i arrived here," would it be reasonable to say the secondary might act as if time had passed since they'd seen our prime- just because that's what our prime expects them to do?
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Omni - 10-13-2017
I would expect for the secondary to have their own memory of events but if you want to do it another way, go ahead.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - PepsiYuuka - 10-13-2017
So she'd remember there being a version of my prime still existing in her world after this one was taken here?
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Schwi Dola - 10-13-2017
What if a prime attempts to summon a copy of an existing secondary?
Not knowing if that person is alive, or when she does it. Would the feedback for you can't do that kick in just as how that occurs is you try to summon something that costs too much?
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Schwi Dola - 10-14-2017
Something to add.
What do you think of the idea of making backup information for secondaries to resurrect then should they die? This could be a solid goal for Schwi to go for in the long run as a new faction.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Alex - 10-16-2017
That was one of the various subplots of DA 2k16
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Schwi Dola - 10-16-2017
How did it go? It would be very comforting to Schwi if she could check whether or not Riku is alive by attempting resummons.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Ebonywood Hellscythe - 10-16-2017
@Schwi: Or you could just get a communicator. Then you can actually talk to all your secondaries wherever they may be. As long as you met them after getting it.
Also, I don't think your idea would work. Since I'm fairly sure you could theoretically summon the same person twice. Secondaries aren't as regulated, and IC Omni has very little influence. So trying to summon someone would always get 'yes' as a response (assuming it worked the first time) unless you don't have the slots.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Schwi Dola - 10-16-2017
If they are separated and she needs to know that he is alive it's probably in a situation where talking over a phone would be dangerous.
If she can't get negative feedback then it would be canon to say that multiple copies of one person could be summoned on purpose which isn't supposed to happen on the meta level.
This feedback will also change a lot of the first impression of summoning Riku. Since its a creation process it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that the secondary didn't actually come from their world (which is true facts not that anyone can confirm it in character).
This will impact how my characters view summoning. If summoning rejects a second attempt at the same person then it adds up as to why second copies of people aren't walking around. It would also better trick Primes into thinking that summoning means summoning.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Ebonywood Hellscythe - 10-17-2017
You know a communicator doesn't have to be a physical object. Schwi is robotic. She could have hers literally built into her body.
When you summon a secondary, you're literally making a copy of that person from your world (or copying someone else spawned from a vague idea). So, should Schwi try to summon the same person again (assuming you have the points) she'll create another instance of that same person.
Summoning won't reject an attempt at making the same person twice, regardless of if the first is dead or alive. A common example is how multiple prime characters from the same franchise may choose to create the same secondary, but you personally could choose to make the same person twice. I think.
In other words, you can't try to figure out if someone is alive or not in the OV by trying to summon them. You'd just make another copy of them regardless, if you didn't stop summoning anyway.
So, get a communicator, basically.
RE: Secondary Summoning specific mechanics - Schwi Dola - 10-17-2017
Mmm, if nobody interjects I'll assume that is official
.Alright that is what I wanted to know thanks ^^.