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[split] Quick questions - Reece - 10-18-2015
If you were using a weapon, like a sword, for example, to block an attack, would the strength of that block depend on your DEF (because you're defending), or your ATK (because it's a sword). Also, if you had really high TEC (through a Tier 2 power up, maybe) and a move that let you shoot projectiles out of the air with bullets, would that be the same as the sword?
Also also, what if is was a wide AoE move you were using (like a large blast of magic or a gust of wind)? Would that require the Area Shield Proficiency (since you're defending), or the Area Attack Proficiency (since you're hitting something in order to knock it aside), or both (since you're hitting something and defending)?
Re: Quick questions - Minato Namikaze - 10-18-2015
Hideaki Yajima Wrote:If you were using a weapon, like a sword, for example, to block an attack, would the strength of that block depend on your DEF (because you're defending), or your ATK (because it's a sword). Also, if you had really high TEC (through a Tier 2 power up, maybe) and a move that let you shoot projectiles out of the air with bullets, would that be the same as the sword?
Also also, what if is was a wide AoE move you were using (like a large blast of magic or a gust of wind)? Would that require the Area Shield Proficiency (since you're defending), or the Area Attack Proficiency (since you're hitting something in order to knock it aside), or both (since you're hitting something and defending)?
The first half of this, I say, would be based off of both your TEC and SPD (mostly TEC though). Since what you're asking is basically deflecting projectiles. I say speed because you'd need to be really fast to efficiently deflect fast moving projectiles like bullets. Rules on deflecting projectiles are in the stats section of the rules.
Your second half however, about area attacks, would require the area shield proficiency, as you really wouldn't be able to deflect a 2 meter in diameter explosion with just a sword. So you would most likely need to create an Area shield move.
Re: Quick questions - Reece - 10-18-2015
Minato Namikaze Wrote:The first half of this, I say, would be based off of both your TEC and SPD (mostly TEC though). Since what you're asking is basically deflecting projectiles. I say speed because you'd need to be really fast to efficiently deflect fast moving projectiles like bullets. Rules on deflecting projectiles are in the stats section of the rules.So not ATK or DEF? Huh. Didn't expect that. So someone with 1 ATK & DEF would be able to do this just (or almost) as easily as someone with 5 ATK & DEF, so long as they had the same SPD & TEC values?
Also; you say that it's mainly about TEC, so ... would it be possible to do something like this with really low SPD if you had Foresight to make up for not being as fast? It seems like that ought to work from an RP perspective but I'm not sure if it'd be seen as an exploit, since doing that might allow you to get around having to buy stat upgrades.
And thanks for the answers, Minato.
Re: Quick questions - Schwi Dola - 10-18-2015
Isn't that a little too logical? Saito Hiraga of Zero no Tsukaima could deflect, if not cut, fire blasts of larger size. Magic has no logic and Omniverse has even less logic.
Any DBZ character could do it with their fist.
Re: Quick questions - Minato Namikaze - 10-18-2015
Desco Wrote:Isn't that a little too logical? Saito Hiraga of Zero no Tsukaima could deflect, if not cut, fire blasts of larger size. Magic has no logic and Omniverse has even less logic.
Any DBZ character could do it with their fist.
I need to stress this, and when I say this I mean it in every sense. This isn't any other Canon, The Omniverse has it's own set of rules and 'deflecting' AOE attacks would come under using an Area shield. Not deflection of projectiles through TEC with swords/ hands or other projectiles.
Re: Quick questions - Schwi Dola - 10-18-2015
A sword with area shield, a proper move. I said nothing about not having it.
You said you couldn't deflect a fireball with a sword. I cite canons that do just that, or with less.
The question asked if you need Area Shield Proficiency and you said you can't do it with a sword.
Re: Quick questions - Ms. Marvel - 10-18-2015
Desco Wrote:A sword with area shield, a proper move. I said nothing about not having it.
You said you couldn't deflect a fireball with a sword. I cite canons that do just that, or with less.
The question asked if you need Area Shield Proficiency and you said you can't do it with a sword.
2+2 = 4 but so does 1 + 3. Having the higher tech and speed is the best way to counter and defend, but in cases where you don't have the advantage, having a move and the Area Shield Prof is the next best option.
Doesn't matter what your canon is, without the advantage in tech and speed, your sword shouldn't be deflecting all that much and to a character like this, in order to deflect something with any degree of success, you would need the move and Shield Area Prof. Make sense?
Guys, what Minato said is very important. It does NOT matter what your character was capable of in their canon, the only thing that matters is what is capable in the Omniverse. Goku could punch through fireballs in canon, but without the proper stats/moves/powers/prof he wouldn't be able to do so here.
Re: Quick questions - Ururu Kyuuei - 10-18-2015
Isn't this the whole Shield can't be used as a Crowbar even if its shaped like one? Only its a sword big/looks enough like to be a shield, you still can't use it as a shield.
Re: Quick questions - Sasuke Uchiha - 10-18-2015
Okay, so a general sword move will cost you 300 OM and can deflect attacks that are no larger than three feet in diameter(Any larger attacks would require Area Shield Prof) so long as you have the sufficient tech and speed advantage.
Without having the advantage in tech and speed, you would need to create a move specifically for defense in order to successfully defend against your opponent moves and again, if it was intended to defend against moves larger than 3 feet, it would need Area Shield Prof.
So Ururu, the only way to use your general sword move for defense effectively, is to have the higher tech and speed or to add a defense measure to the move which will cost another 300, will need Area Shield for anything larger than 3 feet, and is virtually the same thing as creating a shield move.
Re: Quick questions - Reece - 10-18-2015
Thanks for all those replies, everyone.
While we're on the subject of shields, though; I know from reading the Rules that DEF can be represented as armour or 'sheer resilience' (i.e. having bullet-resistant skin), but would it be possible to RP it as some sort of magical shield which automatically appeared when your character was attacked, and did not cost energy to use - basically working just like armour would?
The reason I ask is because shielding moves are generally expected to have drawbacks such as charge times and energy costs in order to actually be as strong as your DEF, whereas armour gets this strength for free. It'd be way more convenient if it could be done like this.
Would their be any way of making this work?
Sorry for asking so much, guys; I'm trying to come up with concepts for an Alt or NPC I might make at some point, hence all these questions.
Re: Quick questions - Sasuke Uchiha - 10-18-2015
Hideaki Yajima Wrote:Thanks for all those replies, everyone.
While we're on the subject of shields, though; I know from reading the Rules that DEF can be represented as armour or 'sheer resilience' (i.e. having bullet-resistant skin), but would it be possible to RP it as some sort of magical shield which automatically appeared when your character was attacked, and did not cost energy to use - basically working just like armour would?
The reason I ask is because shielding moves are generally expected to have drawbacks such as charge times and energy costs in order to actually be as strong as your DEF, whereas armour gets this strength for free. It'd be way more convenient if it could be done like this.
Would their be any way of making this work?
Sorry for asking so much, guys; I'm trying to come up with concepts for an Alt or NPC I might make at some point, hence all these questions.
Having your character wear armor doesn't give you any advantage. I have 5 def, so when I get hit, it doesn't affect me nearly as much as a player with 0 def. I express this in my writing as my character wearing armor, not that he has super tough skin or anything.
That's all this is. It's just r/p fodder. You can explain or express your stats however you like, however, to create an armor that suddenly appears in order to block attacks would need to be a move and cost you 300 OM, at the very least. I could see it needing a lot more as well, like Foresight and Area Shield Prof.
The def stat doesn't help you block. It's a measure of how much you can take. Wearing armor to express your high def is not the same as armor appearing out of no where to help block attacks. The major difference being that in one scenario you are taking the hit and the other you are blocking it. Make sense?
Re: Quick questions - Reece - 10-18-2015
Sasuke Uchiha Wrote:The def stat doesn't help you block. It's a measure of how much you can take. Wearing armor to express your high def is not the same as armor appearing out of no where to help block attacks. The major difference being that in one scenario you are taking the hit and the other you are blocking it. Make sense?Yeah, I see now. So is it possible to have your character be weaker than their DEF suggests? Like if I was making a mage who specialised in summoning shields, but without one was still supposed to be just an ordinary person, could I choose to have his DEF treated as being only 1 whenever he was hit directly, but still count as its full value for the purposes of using defensive moves?