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Stormtroopers - Reece - 10-16-2015
Minato Namikaze Wrote:The storm troopers you see in the nexus would be strong enough to handle any fresh prime.Except when they aren't. Which is most of the time.
Last I checked, almost half the people on the bounty list got there after killing or at least beating up some stormtroopers...
It's fine to say that the likes of the Marines and Dredd are capable of taking down Primes, but unless you're retconning out a whole bunch of what's been written on the site already, then you can't really make out the stormtroopers to be anything close to that level.
And honestly, I don't see why you'd want to; it's not like the movies portrayed them as being particularly useful in a fight, after all. Did any of them manage to land a single shot on target? At most, those guys have 1 TEC.
So, my question is: are you sure about that?
Re: Quick questions - Roger Smith - 10-16-2015
Hideaki Yajima Wrote:Minato Namikaze Wrote:The storm troopers you see in the nexus would be strong enough to handle any fresh prime.Except when they aren't. Which is most of the time.
Last I checked, almost half the people on the bounty list got there after killing or at least beating up some stormtroopers...
It's fine to say that the likes of the Marines and Dredd are capable of taking down Primes, but unless you're retconning out a whole bunch of what's been written on the site already, then you can't really make out the stormtroopers to be anything close to that level.
And honestly, I don't see why you'd want to; it's not like the movies portrayed them as being particularly useful in a fight, after all. Did any of them manage to land a single shot on target? At most, those guys have 1 TEC.
So, my question is: are you sure about that?
I would just like to point out that the Stormtroopers were the elite of the Imperial forces, and were the primary reason the Empire was capable of conquering most of the known galaxy. They were portrayed as incompetent or inaccurate in the movies because of the age-old necessity of the bad guys needing to lose. They did have the finest weapons, armor and training in the galaxy, so they're not to be underestimated.
And while a single Stormtrooper might not be a match for even a fresh prime one on one, I'd say they're still about as strong as a Tier 1 Assist as far as actual stats go, and that's at a bare minimum. Proto Man has outright said they would even be a match for a fresh Prime. And another thing to keep in mind, when is it ever just ONE Stormtrooper?
And I'd like to point to the numerous PSAs and reminders about Secondaries not being weak, and people just ignoring, disregarding or forgetting about that fact to explain the frequent Stormtrooper casualties. Stormtroopers would be able to handle a fresh Prime easily. Probably even a moderately powerful one.
Re: Quick questions - Minato Namikaze - 10-16-2015
Hideaki Yajima Wrote:Minato Namikaze Wrote:The storm troopers you see in the nexus would be strong enough to handle any fresh prime.Except when they aren't. Which is most of the time.
Last I checked, almost half the people on the bounty list got there after killing or at least beating up some stormtroopers...
It's fine to say that the likes of the Marines and Dredd are capable of taking down Primes, but unless you're retconning out a whole bunch of what's been written on the site already, then you can't really make out the stormtroopers to be anything close to that level.
And honestly, I don't see why you'd want to; it's not like the movies portrayed them as being particularly useful in a fight, after all. Did any of them manage to land a single shot on target? At most, those guys have 1 TEC.
So, my question is: are you sure about that?
Yes, I am absolutely sure about this. Why do people keep questioning me (as of recent times)?
Re: Quick questions - Kakashi Hatake - 10-16-2015
To bolster the point, in Star Wars lore it is implied that the bumbling and incompetence we see in the films is by the orders of Grand Moff Tarkin (Death Star Commander). They are ordered to miss intentionally so that the targets can be tracked. It's all a clever ruse that the Empire to keep the ball in their court. There's a reason that rebels in general are easily dispatched by Troopers but Luke, Han, etc. escape unscathed. Just sayin'.
Re: Quick questions - Weiss Schnee - 10-16-2015
Hideaki Yajima Wrote:Minato Namikaze Wrote:The storm troopers you see in the nexus would be strong enough to handle any fresh prime.Except when they aren't. Which is most of the time.
Last I checked, almost half the people on the bounty list got there after killing or at least beating up some stormtroopers...
It's fine to say that the likes of the Marines and Dredd are capable of taking down Primes, but unless you're retconning out a whole bunch of what's been written on the site already, then you can't really make out the stormtroopers to be anything close to that level.
And honestly, I don't see why you'd want to; it's not like the movies portrayed them as being particularly useful in a fight, after all. Did any of them manage to land a single shot on target? At most, those guys have 1 TEC.
So, my question is: are you sure about that?
and most of those who did it in a ridiculous manner get razzed for it.
And others did it, not by just overpowering the stormtroopers in a dash of overpowering force, but by intelligent use of moves and environment. like you would have to with opponents your physical equal.
The main divide between a prime and a stomtrooper is that their moves are a lot more constrained. Frag grenade + Blastech E-11 until you get to specialized squads.
Re: Quick questions - Reece - 10-17-2015
Minato Namikaze Wrote:Also This thread backs up my statements.Heh. Funnily enough, that thread was actually part of the reason I've been considering Stormtroopers to be some of the weakest Secondaries. Specifically, this section of Proto's first post in it:
Quote:Also kindly stop the libel about Secondaries always being frail, as this is not the case, regardless of how fresh primes like to treat Storm Troopers. If you're a fresh Prime, I can guarantee you that there are more than enough Secondaries out there who would love to beat your face apart.
I was assuming that the "more than enough Secondaries" referred to the likes of the Space Marines, whilst the Stormtroopers were, as Adam said, about as powerful as a Tier 1 assist (admittedly, he used that as a minimum guideline for their strength); meaning that I was thinking they couldn't have had more than 2 ATK or DEF. Maybe 3, at the very best.
But yeah, point taken. I'll try my best not to slaughter entire mobs of stormtroopers.
Weiss Schnee Wrote:and most of those who did it in a ridiculous manner get razzed for it.Yeah. The misleading thing is that the people who tend to kill them are Dredd and his Marines, not the stormtroopers themselves. If they're really each half as tough as a level 1 Prime then surely they'd only need, like, three or four guys to take one out, and they usually have a lot more than that. The fact that the Storyteller tends to have them call for backup rather than deal with it themselves just appears to confirm that they are indeed weaklings, y'know?
Adam Gaite Wrote:They were portrayed as incompetent or inaccurate in the movies because of the age-old necessity of the bad guys needing to lose.It doesn't matter why they were portrayed the way they were. The expanded universe may not be cannon (which is a pity for them, since the non-sith imperial forces were actually halfway competent in some of those stories) but the movies sure as hell are. You can say that they have the best training all you want, but all that means is that the Empire had some really dreadful trainers.
That said, I can understand them being amongst the best in the galaxy. Greedo managed to miss Han by a huge margin despite the fact that he was literally sitting a couple feet in front of him. Clearly, decent aim is a rare thing in that reality.
Regardless of how they work in the Omniverse, in their home universe, the stormtroopers are inept.
Re: Quick questions - Trixie - 10-17-2015
Hideaki Yajima Wrote:Minato Namikaze Wrote:Also This thread backs up my statements.Heh. Funnily enough, that thread was actually part of the reason I've been considering Stormtroopers to be some of the weakest Secondaries. Specifically, this section of Proto's first post in it:
Quote:Also kindly stop the libel about Secondaries always being frail, as this is not the case, regardless of how fresh primes like to treat Storm Troopers. If you're a fresh Prime, I can guarantee you that there are more than enough Secondaries out there who would love to beat your face apart.
I was assuming that the "more than enough Secondaries" referred to the likes of the Space Marines, whilst the Stormtroopers were, as Adam said, about as powerful as a Tier 1 assist (admittedly, he used that as a minimum guideline for their strength); meaning that I was thinking they couldn't have had more than 2 ATK or DEF. Maybe 3, at the very best.
But yeah, point taken. I'll try my best not to slaughter entire mobs of stormtroopers.
Weiss Schnee Wrote:and most of those who did it in a ridiculous manner get razzed for it.Yeah. The misleading thing is that the people who tend to kill them are Dredd and his Marines, not the stormtroopers themselves. If they're really each half as tough as a level 1 Prime then surely they'd only need, like, three or four guys to take one out, and they usually have a lot more than that. The fact that the Storyteller tends to have them call for backup rather than deal with it themselves just appears to confirm that they are indeed weaklings, y'know?
Adam Gaite Wrote:They were portrayed as incompetent or inaccurate in the movies because of the age-old necessity of the bad guys needing to lose.It doesn't matter why they were portrayed the way they were. The expanded universe may not be cannon (which is a pity for them, since the non-sith imperial forces were actually halfway competent in some of those stories) but the movies sure as hell are. You can say that they have the best training all you want, but all that means is that the Empire had some really dreadful trainers.
That said, I can understand them being amongst the best in the galaxy. Greedo managed to miss Han by a huge margin despite the fact that he was literally sitting a couple feet in front of him. Clearly, decent aim is a rare thing in that reality.
Regardless of how they work in the Omniverse, in their home universe, the stormtroopers are inept.
To be honest at this point I think we need Proto or Omni intervention.