(06-20-2016, 04:47 PM)Mark Wrote: Give this thread a thorough reading and be sure to hit all of the bullet points. Your moves are pretty vague and could use some touching up.

Also, you'll need to pay special attention to duration of these effects because as it stands the effects last waaaaay too long.

(06-20-2016, 05:33 PM)Mark Wrote: I'm just needing more information on how the moves work. What exactly 'fear' means in the context of this move, how the serum is injected, if it does damage, etc. Read through that move thread and try to be as specific as possible so that people that write your character know what to expect.

The time effects will depend on how much damage is done, duration, stamina drain, etc. Depending on what the fear effect does you might be able to get up to a minute or so of that effect, but it'll depend heavily on what you're wanting to accomplish with it.

• What is the size of the injectors?
  
• Is injecting as simple as nicking them with the needle or do they need to be literally stabbed and held for a second?
  
• How many uses does this have or how draining is it on Scarecrow to use repeatedly?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?
  
  

• What the range that these can be thrown?
  
• What is the area effected by the fear gas?
  
• Can these be thrown while moving?
  
• Does it take concentration to ready and throw these?
  
• How many does he keep on his person or how draining is it to rapidly summon these?
  
• How long does the fear effect last?
  
• How long does someone have to escape before the fear effect sets in?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?
  
  You also don't need to take a full minute to pull out a grenade if you don't want to, it can be a few seconds or something.
  

(06-22-2016, 11:09 PM)Mark Wrote: Gauntlet:

• What is the size of the injectors?
  
• Is injecting as simple as nicking them with the needle or do they need to be literally stabbed and held for a second?
  
• How many uses does this have or how draining is it on Scarecrow to use repeatedly?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?
  
  

Fear Grenades:

• What the range that these can be thrown?
  
• What is the area effected by the fear gas?
  
• Can these be thrown while moving?
  
• Does it take concentration to ready and throw these?
  
• How many does he keep on his person or how draining is it to rapidly summon these?
  
• How long does the fear effect last?
  
• How long does someone have to escape before the fear effect sets in?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?
  
  You also don't need to take a full minute to pull out a grenade if you don't want to, it can be a few seconds or something.
  

In terms of the effect for both: the hysteria, paranoia and insanity are just a stun in this case? How long does the effect last for the gauntlet? Would being hit break you out of the fear effect for either? Also, keep in mind that how strong the toxin is would depend on the TEC stat of the foe. If they have a TEC higher than yours, don't expect them to be completely paralyzed with fear as they'd be able to see through the illusion.


Also, as a general note: in the future, be sure to re-read your work and put it through a spell-checker. There are a lot of typos here.

Quote:Gauntlet:

• How many uses does this have or how draining is it on Scarecrow to use repeatedly?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?
  
  

Fear Grenades:

• What the range that these can be thrown?
  
• Can these be thrown while moving?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?

(06-24-2016, 12:07 PM)Mark Wrote: So I'm still confused as to what exactly the fear effect does for the gauntlet. You've listed immobilization, damage over time and hallucinations. Is that a correct reading? If so, does the immobilization prevent the target from attacking and defending? How much damage does it do over time (it just says 'slow' right now)?  Is this version of the fear different from the grenade in terms of it wearing off when struck?

For either of these moves, does being hit remove the entire effect or just part of it? It sounds like you're saying only the illusions wear off but they're still frozen in place. Is that correct? For both of these, you'll likely need to make the effect last for a shorter amount of time, unless you make the stun wear off when hit. Illusions can last a bit longer but I'm not comfortable with a full 2 minute stun length.

I'm also still wondering about these bits:

Quote:Gauntlet:

• How many uses does this have or how draining is it on Scarecrow to use repeatedly?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?
  
  

Fear Grenades:

• What the range that these can be thrown?
  
• Can these be thrown while moving?
  
• Can this be used with other moves?

(06-24-2016, 11:31 PM)Mark Wrote: Sorry, I’m not trying to confuse you or be difficult. We just need to nail down exactly what the effect is. You’ve listed damage over time and a stun, which is fine, but you also listed ‘mass hysteria, paranoia, insanity’ as other effects. Those descriptors are pretty vague, so I just want it to be clear that dramatic stuff like that would mostly be in independent stories and ungraded stuff as fluff. I’d list these as POSSIBLE effects for RP flavor purposes (in case someone you’re fighting wants to act insane for a post or something), because you’re not going to be able to enter a tournament and turn someone with high TEC into a weeping lunatic. Sorry if I’m stating the obvious, but I just wanna make sure there are no misunderstandings. At the end of your app you mention “unless Scarecrow makes a higher dose of the serum”, what does this mean?

For the getting hit aspect, I was meaning if the opponent gets hit does it end the effect? I ask because a stun and debuff for that long would be kinda broken since they’d be helpless for long enough for you to do some serious damage. If you want an immobilization effect, you’d either need to shorten it significantly, like down to at maximum 15-20 seconds, or make the stun wear off when struck. I’m okay with the illusions lasting maybe 10-15 seconds after the stun ends, as that wouldn’t leave them helpless.

For the gauntlet, I don’t really understand the “2 points of damage for a minute”.  We can just state the damage as “a small amount over the duration of the effect”. As for the amount of uses, 60 is waaaay too many. Keep in mind that most fights don’t last longer than like 20 minutes and your injectors can recharge between battles. The way I see this working, we can either leave the number uses as a vague amount but we can state that each time the fear effect is used it becomes somewhat weaker OR we can have each use make Scarecrow somewhat more fatigued. This way we don’t need to count charges but it will be fair for the person affected. With either of these changes, you can make the cooldown on the gauntlet a minute rather than the 2 minutes you have listed as the downside will eliminate the need for a long cooldown.

Also, you shouldn’t need  to pay 600 for the Fear Grenades, since they always do the same single effect. Similarly, the Gauntlet only needs to be 600 if you’re going to be stabbing without using the serum. I dunno which you’d prefer, but feel free to make any changes you'd like.

(06-25-2016, 12:00 AM)Mark Wrote: Don't worry about it, it's not annoying.

Alright, I'm okay with that for a downside. What are your thought on the other stuff I mentioned? Just make edits to your moves with whatever you're happy with and bump the topic and I'll take another look.