+- Omni Archive (https://omni.zulenka.com)
+-- Forum: Administration Forums (https://omni.zulenka.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=5)
+--- Forum: Help Desk (https://omni.zulenka.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=8)
+--- Thread: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers (/showthread.php?tid=125)
Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Illidan Stormrage - 09-06-2013
Is there an ability for body split? I may plan to utilise the Four Swords down the line.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Ganondorf - 09-06-2013
Hive Mind – 400 OM
A useful power for those who use Survival powers and required for Disassemble, this lets a character control all parts of their body regardless of whether or not they’re still attached to their brain. Just got your arm cut off? You can make it choke your opponent whilst you close in for the kill. Just remember that detached body parts will eventually die if separated from the main body for too long (several hours).
Disassemble – 800 OM (requires Hive Mind)
A type of self-kinesis, this allows a character to ‘melt’ themselves into smaller parts and move around in a more liquid form. This could be represented as water, liquid metal, sand, or a horde of small animals like snakes or bats (though this would require other powers like Flight and Hive Mind). In your disassembled state, you are somewhat less vulnerable to harm with piercing weapons like swords. Changing to and from your disassembled state takes several seconds (dependent on your speed) and is fairly tiring to do repeatedly. Injuries do not disappear when disassembling and reassembling.
Physical Shapeshifting – 1400 OM
Physical shapeshifting gives your character the potential to completely shapeshift their body, gaining or losing up to double or half of their normal mass in the process. This has great practical applications for those with Physical Strength (for example you could make your fist gigantic) and is also excellent in combination with elasticity. It can even be used to dodge by changing the shape of your body – for example by creating a hole in your chest where a sword was about to stab you! To create specific applications such as turning your limbs into weapons, you will need to purchase moves.
Using all three of these, and making a custom move, is probably your best bet if you want them to stick around for longer than a single strike. It would also be extremely draining on your energy, and any damage done to one, would be done to all the Links. If you're just interested in splitting, attacking, then the extra Links go away, a 300 OM move and Remote Control Proficiency can handle that. Check http://www.omniverse-rpg.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=161 and look at his moves for examples.
Edit: You could also look into getting a Summon once you hit Level 2 and use that, though, and Omni may correct me on this, you'd only be able to summon a single extra Link, and it would be weaker than yourself. On the plus side, damage wouldn't be shared between you two. It's also less draining on a character, in the story sense, since it uses SP rather than your "body's energy". I hope that's not confusing.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Illidan Stormrage - 09-06-2013
Thanks Ganondorf. Not sure which way I'll go with it. I was going to get Physical Shapeshifting (for masks later on) but don't know if I like that it couldn't be sustained for a while. I suppose I would use it more like body split in DBZ where it's used as an attack, but I'd want it to last longer than a single strike and then fade out.
I think I'd like for Link to split into four, and they can attack as long as the split is active, but when one Link is hit, it fades out. I guess I wouldn't want it to be terribly draining (because I think rping Link as four people outside a battle would be pretty slick), but if I have to take that hit to get what I want, I suppose I'll have to?
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Ganondorf - 09-06-2013
Well, I added Physical Shapeshifting so your Disassemble copies could both look like you, and (since you can double your size with it), then they could be closer to your size than 4 midget Links running around.
Unfortunately, everything has to be balanced, so there'd probably be SOME drain on you, even if it takes awhile to summon the extras (like in Minish Cap). But, as long as you can limit it in a way that doesn't give you an unfair advantage, I think you can work something out.
All of this is subject to Omni saying yea or nay, of course.
Edit: Just so I'm clear, I'm only giving you my THOUGHTS on how this could work. Omni better understands the rules than I do. I'm sure he'll give you exactly how to do this when he gets on.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Illidan Stormrage - 09-06-2013
Yeah I wouldn't expect it to be easy or the copies to be overly strong. Like I said, I picture it like DBZ body split; not overly draining, the copies aren't overly strong and die in one hit. But yeah, for the sake of balance, it would need to be draining or disadvantaging in some way.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Nanoha Takamachi - 09-06-2013
I could see it working a bit like this:
You split into 4, with one (the green one, obviously) being the primary Link. The others all fade when damaged, and it takes a portion of his energy to create each one, and that energy disperses when one fades (rather than being, say, retracted if he ends the effect before they all fade). Collectively, as in all 4 combined, would be the equivalent of your stats and overall strength, but the larger amount of that will reside within the primary Link.
So you could have yourself split into 4 to fight 4 guys, but the primary Link will be the most powerful of the four.
I think having the primary would alleviate any issues with determining where the 'core' of link resides, as well as making it to focal point for where the 3 copies come from to begin with.
It'd have to take some energy drain to keep them going, but I wouldn't think it'd be a lot since it'll also cost a decent chunk of your power to do the split to begin with, and if you lose one you lose the energy used to create it, rather than it being returned to you.
You could have them be able to copy some of your moves (maybe not the most potent ones, I guess?) and even take moves that the four Links can perform together for extra awesome++ factor!
As for rules and stuff, I can see disassemble, hive mind and physical shapeshifting all being needed. You disassemble, split yourself into four, and then those four parts shapeshift into Links, and Hive Mind allows you to keep control of them all as individual parts of Link still.
Alternatively, you could make them a summon (as Ganon suggested). I believe it's okay to summon a group rather than just one character, but their combined total power must be equal to a single summoned character. That would be a more limited version, however, since it'll cost SP and thus you wont be able to use it as much.
Ultimately, as with all complex movies, Omni has the final call on this one. Just offering thoughts.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Omni - 09-07-2013
Best to just leave the complex questions to me in the future, guys. It cuts down on the confusion a lot.
Generally for summoning extra versions of yourself, I just recommend a Summon. There's a caveat at the bottom of the page that states: "Simple, weak summons may be counted as move. They must be single-minded (for example, a zombie which just seeks out the nearest target to attack would be fine to purchase with a 300 OM move) and have the same limitations as any other move."
Ex, Buu's clone move from the ideas topic: "Buu Clone 300
Buu creates a clone of himself. The clone's only use is to fly at the opponent, punching them until it is destroyed or runs out of steam. It is not smart enough to do anything else, nor can Buu control it. It is easily destroyed, but an effective distraction."
So you basically have two ways of going about it, the way you described. One is a summon. Obviously the extra Links aren't as strong as main Link (I'd put DEF at 0 to represent they go down to a solid attack).
Two is to create a series of moves like "Clone Link Attack", "Clone Link Defend", that kind of thing. You can say that using the Four Sword drains Link's fatigue or something by summoning copies.
Actually, I just thought of a third. You could create a Super Move. Tier 1 is fine.
Four Sword Activate - Tier 1 Super Move
Raising his Four Sword high into the air, Link splits into four versions of himself, clad in green, blue, purple and red. They each have the same power as him (though cannot use Super Moves or Transformations).
You can either say that they last for say, thirty seconds, or until any Link takes a hit as you previously described.
With the case of these SP-draining moves, you can use them in personal storylines and not worry about counting the SP.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Omni - 09-07-2013
Oh, and I added this question to the FAQ.
Re: Link's perpetual thread to ask about future powers - Illidan Stormrage - 09-07-2013
Sweet. I think I like the idea of the Tier 1 Super Move the most. I'll have to play with the costings for it.