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Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
So I had an idea for after Scramble for Sinestro, Ganon and anyone else who joins the Legion Of Doom. We could go break Joker out of jail, in an attempt to recruit him. Obviously he wouldn't have to join.
I wanted to clear the idea with Omni first, obviously, and also obviously Joker. I know its supposed to be a big bad prison and all, but if we can't break in then what differentiates it from being banished?
C'mon dudes, it'll be fuuun
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
Well, to be honest, there's no appeal to it for Ganondorf. He barely even saw the Joker before he was apprehended, so there's little IC reason for Ganon to break him out of jail. Additionally, if Ganondorf DID learn about him, I doubt he'd much want to risk the wrath of Coruscant to rescue a guy who might just shoot him in the head for the hell of it. >.> Now, if the Joker manages to free himself, or someone else saves him, I'll certainly offer him a place in my new world order. But Ganon's not gonna risk his neck for... well, anyone. But least of all someone he see's no strategic benefit for rescuing.
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
That isn't to say it couldn't happen, of course. It's just to say it'd hafta be worked out IC in some way that Ganon can see a benefit to himself for getting the guy out.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Ganondorf Wrote:That isn't to say it couldn't happen, of course. It's just to say it'd hafta be worked out IC in some way that Ganon can see a benefit to himself for getting the guy out.Yeah, of course! We can always find a write around for something as simple as motivation. If we get Omni to approve of the concept we can pan something out
Re: Prison Break? - Omni - 09-05-2013
If y'all were confident you could make it convincing and be sneaky enough, I'd change Joker to being imprisoned in Impel Down and you could do a storyline. But that's only if all three of you wanted to try and pull it off, and honestly it'd take a lot of IC work which, as Ganon says, seems a little far fetched for some random dude you just saw once. Like risking life imprisonment or banishment for yourselves. You guys aren't that nice.
I'm not just gonna stick Joker in prison. I've got something for him.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Omni Wrote:If y'all were confident you could make it convincing and be sneaky enough, I'd change Joker to being imprisoned in Impel Down and you could do a storyline. But that's only if all three of you wanted to try and pull it off, and honestly it'd take a lot of IC work which, as Ganon says, seems a little far fetched for some random dude you just saw once. Like risking life imprisonment or banishment for yourselves. You guys aren't that nice.Yeah, we can figure out solid motives if everyone is down for that type of story (so if Joker wants to do it). Motivations are fun and you can usually sink a great hook if yu think about it for a few minutes
I'm not just gonna stick Joker in prison. I've got something for him.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
I feel like Joker has lots of practice breaking out of joints, and we both have a bit of practice breaking into em. Between us we could figure out an awesome story
Re: Prison Break? - Blink - 09-05-2013
I'm up for anything. I'm just waiting for the update before I start figuring out exactly what I'm going to do. I wanted to roleplay today but work wouldn't let me.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Joker Wrote:I'm up for anything. I'm just waiting for the update before I start figuring out exactly what I'm going to do. I wanted to roleplay today but work wouldn't let me.Ok man, if you're down let's all start working on a plan!
First on the agenda: ganon and thaal's motivations. BRAINSTORM WHILE I SCHOOL
Re: Prison Break? - Blink - 09-05-2013
Let's just see where Omni takes us in the post. I'm not saying let's not work together - but I don't want to force anything. There are a lot of ways to work together. If you have to force a way for your characters to do something, then it's not happening naturally.
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
I gotta agree with Joker. Let it come naturally. If not a prison break, we can find other reasons to ally ourselves... Or hell, Joker may end up being an enemy. Or you might.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Something I'm trying to do here that was rarely done on Chubbs is do actual story planning. You get a much better story and I honestly think it lets people have a lot more fun when they're writing. You just throw down a loose skeleton of what the story will be like and answer all the important questions (ie: motivation etc).
Think of it this way: The people who write comic books don't just sit down and start writing and have characters react in the way that they think they'd react. They have a story, and allow the characters to interact with that story in a meaningful way. Those characters are written into a planned story and they don't come off as forced or unnatural because the writers have done good writing. The way we think about these characters is because of how they were written into stories in the first place.
The guy who wrote Killing Joke wrote a story that EPITOMIZED the Joker had a plan. He wrote out a rough idea of the overall story.
We can do those things too!
Sure, there's a place for reactionary writing, and there's nothing wrong with that, but wouldn't it be fun to really COLLABORATE on a real story instead of all just simultaneously writing? Not that there's anything WRONG with the way we're used to posting, but it would be cool to really plan and execute a story we all came up with together, right?
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
Oh, I'm good with a plan. But first, let's see how The Joker handles the situation before we cement anything in stone. He might not go to prison, in which case any work we do to get him out is pointless. Also, we have to remember that since neither myself, nor you have really any idea who The Joker is, we'd have to plan for just why we decided to bust him out. Finally, it would probably be a little while just for us to consider a plan to jailbreak him as an option, IC. I wouldn't want him to have to sit in prison while our characters go through everything that would need to get done to finally arrive at a reasonable IC reason to want him free, ya know?
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Ganondorf Wrote:Oh, I'm good with a plan. But first, let's see how The Joker handles the situation before we cement anything in stone. He might not go to prison, in which case any work we do to get him out is pointless. Also, we have to remember that since neither myself, nor you have really any idea who The Joker is, we'd have to plan for just why we decided to bust him out. Finally, it would probably be a little while just for us to consider a plan to jailbreak him as an option, IC. I wouldn't want him to have to sit in prison while our characters go through everything that would need to get done to finally arrive at a reasonable IC reason to want him free, ya know?Well, again, if we all plan on a prison break, then the story would be set up. So if Joker wants to do that, then we'll do that. No, our characters don't have much of an idea who Joker is, so we're gonna write, in our plan, why we are motivated to do this.
Imagine it like a comic book or a story: we have the hook. Joker is doing things inside the prison. Then we're doing stuff outside the prison, and then those two lines come together, and enjoyably interact. Don't imagine this like a Chubbs thread, imagine it liek a somewhat coherent story where all the parties involved, as writers, are making our characters work through the plot arc.
We, as writers, make a decision that it would be a cool story, and then we move things around and plan until it makes sense for our characters to be involved.
EDIT: Example:
Maybe Joker does something to draw our attention? Maybe he has something we want, maybe there's somebody that has something we want and they want the Joker out of prison, maybe there's some kind of confusion, maybe there's some other thing, whatever it is.
Now, we all plan this OOG, all our writers now move our characters, we find a REASON for it to all overlap etc.
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
Might could work, depending on whether or not Joker actually goes to prison or not. I did have a plan in place where we were going to subvert the local populace of The Town with No Name by being "heroes". Eventually (far down the road), we usurp the reins of the town from Deschain and tighten our fist down to establish a true law and order in the desert. Once we accomplish that, rather than going into Coruscant (which would probably still be suicide), we start branching out into the Fire Verse... Obviously, that has it's own risks, but less so than Coruscant... or perhaps just different risks. I have faith we could handle it well, though.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Ganondorf Wrote:Might could work, depending on whether or not Joker actually goes to prison or not. I did have a plan in place where we were going to subvert the local populace of The Town with No Name by being "heroes". Eventually (far down the road), we usurp the reins of the town from Deschain and tighten our fist down to establish a true law and order in the desert. Once we accomplish that, rather than going into Coruscant (which would probably still be suicide), we start branching out into the Fire Verse... Obviously, that has it's own risks, but less so than Coruscant... or perhaps just different risks. I have faith we could handle it well, though.Ok, so trying to show ourselves as heroes, we bust Joker out to prove how we "Stand against the reigning tyrany of the Empire, or the Kingdom for that matter!" etc etc. In reality, we could have an alternate motive, like Sinestro actually knowing about the Joker, at least somebody that was LIKE the Joker from the old universe. We want to unleash him on corrusant so that he can BLOW SHIT UP AND BE CRAZY. That's perfect.
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
Well, the fact that you and The Joker come from the same universe DOES work in favor of the plan. However, the Dunes are loosely allied with Coruscant. So any jail break we do would need to be covert, so that we neither bring the wrath of The Emperor down on us, nor set a feeling of fear or resentment in the population... at least not before the proper time to do so. However, I can get behind the plan of wanting him out and letting him loose on other people.
I would say, though, that Sinestro would know that The Joker is impossible to control and as likely to blow our own shit up as the people we set him loose on.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Ganondorf Wrote:Well, the fact that you and The Joker come from the same universe DOES work in favor of the plan. However, the Dunes are loosely allied with Coruscant. So any jail break we do would need to be covert, so that we neither bring the wrath of The Emperor down on us, nor set a feeling of fear or resentment in the population... at least not before the proper time to do so. However, I can get behind the plan of wanting him out and letting him loose on other people.Yeah, Sinestro would know he was a total loose cannon. In his universe, he might have even tried to induct him into the Corps to disastrous consequences (Crisis On Infinite Earths makes EVERYTHING CANON FOREVER).
I would say, though, that Sinestro would know that The Joker is impossible to control and as likely to blow our own shit up as the people we set him loose on.
And we might not go straight to the TWNN in the Dunes just yet, we could start small - real small, at a tiny encampment or village. Win over a few, maybe 20 or so. We could even be trying to win over the hearts of a few of the bandits who would have both a reason to follow us and also a reason to NOT live in TWNN. It would be a tiny footstep in the right direction, and lay credence to the whole "false messiah" deal.
All the while, Joker could be doing his Joker thing in prison and making his own connections. He could be doing zany, murderous shit all the while getting closer and closer to freedom.
Simple story, but it could turn out awesome.
Re: Prison Break? - Ganondorf - 09-05-2013
True. I mentioned the TTWN, because it's literally the first thing we'll see when we come through the gate. I had also tossed around the idea of only stopping there for awhile and then heading out into the desert, finding an oasis (which may or may not already be inhabited), and eventually pooling our resources to purchase a Base. Something reminiscent of the Spirit Temple, which the archaeologist in you should much appreciate.
From there, we found our own town and begin our slow, yet inevitable, takeover.
Re: Prison Break? - Thaal Sinestro - 09-05-2013
Ganondorf Wrote:True. I mentioned the TTWN, because it's literally the first thing we'll see when we come through the gate. I had also tossed around the idea of only stopping there for awhile and then heading out into the desert, finding an oasis (which may or may not already be inhabited), and eventually pooling our resources to purchase a Base. Something reminiscent of the Spirit Temple, which the archaeologist in you should much appreciate.For sure. And, again, winning over the less-than-reputable locals would be a good start as far as getting a foothold in the Desert. We can become local legends with badass pseudonyms (like, I dunno, The Boar and Yellowbelly or something like that but less stupid xD) by busting out the Joker (who then blows shit up in Corrusant or whatever he wants to do).
From there, we found our own town and begin our slow, yet inevitable, takeover.
And, again, I don't want to undervalue Joker's possibility for badass here. He can be running a whole ring in this prison by the time we even get there. That's what Joker, like, DOES in the comics. He's a maniacal kingpin who just rules whatever criminal organization he steps into. Because he's NUTS and really really really smart. All kinds of fun "I'm in jail" plot to run with there.