(01-12-2017, 02:47 PM)Sarah Kerrigan Wrote:

(01-12-2017, 02:39 PM)Harlan Higgs Wrote: It doesn't outright say it but i don't think there are many locations like. Probably standard to have peasants fall back to the city and gear up for siege mentality. I don't think the commanders would risk dividing their forces until they'd beaten back the main assault. The logistics of this are a bit tricky.

Assuming Darkshire's relatively medieval and not fully self-sustaining, they'd have outlying lands, and some people would generally be too stubborn, would be the idea.
The commanders aren't really what's intended to be drawn out - the aim is to mess with the less "regular" forces - I.E certain primes, what with their flagrant independence and in some cases, strong moral codes - as well as secondaries that aren't acting under or outright defying orders. Taking advantage of the fact that everything in the Omniverse isn't quite organized.
Besides which, How ready is the general Darkshire public, at this point? As far as I understood it, particularly going off of Ash's post, only the military even knows of the threat now, and they probably haven't known for very long. If the townspeople are still relatively oblivious, then I can't imagine the refugees have started piling in.


Edit: should be noted, if we're going by the earlier 30k People in darkshire, you'd need somewhat over 150 miles of farmland to support that population. Unless darkshire's a lot smaller than we thought, or Omniphysics has made basic necessities a lot easier (Something I haven't seen very much so far), Darkshire's probably got a lot of rural area it has to be exploiting.

(01-13-2017, 01:56 AM)Kelly MacAryn Wrote: This is new information. Either that or I'm fantastically oblivious, which is also possible, as I tend to do my posting after one in the morning.  

Applying the math and assumptions from the previous figures , that would put Darkshire's forces at between 1000 and 1500 soldiers.

I know there are small villages, but I'm near-to-positive Darkshire doesn't have any outlying military outposts or mines, and there's a fair amount of farmland in the area immediately surrounding the city - or at least, that's how people seem to be playing it, and the 'rolling fields' part of the 'verse description seems to bear it out.  

The other issue with drawing Primes away from the defense is that pretty much every Prime on the defenders side is either deeply invested in Darkshire specifically, a strategist themselves, or not exactly what you'd call a humanitarian. The only outright hero in the group who comes to mind is Ash...ish.

(01-13-2017, 02:53 AM)Weiss Schnee Wrote: Given Darkshire's "self-sufficient", while if people are really against Darkshire having these things I won't force the issue, They should need to be getting their food, wood, metal, water supply, and etc. from somewhere nearby - It's been noted a bunch that the other verses aren't really closely connected with Darkshire, and given it's actually beefed up it's military recently, to my knowledge, it would need a lot of resources to maintain it.

This is also me thinking that the whole of Darkshire's only a few kilometers large town though - if it's some sprawling thing like minas tirith, much of this could be in the gates - and given that the idea of it being less than 10,000 people instead of 30,000 like was thought before, I had a much different picture of how much land would need to be relegated to crops. that brings it closer to 40 kilometers of farmland instead of around a hundred and fifty.

Regardless, if people are really certain Darkshire has no outlying territories, I guess I won't fight the status quo, though this requires significant retcons to my posts at this point. I would find it odd if the large walled city with a fairly buffed-up garrison wasn't getting resources from somewhere though, to trade if not to actually keep their own quality of life and etc. going. Especially with the necessity for supplies to outlast a siege needed.

Regardless, it was mostly a way for people to look for specific 1v1's they might want OoC, and a way to add a bit more to the siege. If people are uninterested we can say Kerrigan, Illidan and Skeletor rolled through some cocky secondaries, cut off any outlying support, and there's now refugees causing some panic and confusion in darkshire.

(01-13-2017, 03:39 AM)Kelly MacAryn Wrote:

(01-13-2017, 02:53 AM)Weiss Schnee Wrote: Given Darkshire's "self-sufficient", while if people are really against Darkshire having these things I won't force the issue, They should need to be getting their food, wood, metal, water supply, and etc. from somewhere nearby - It's been noted a bunch that the other verses aren't really closely connected with Darkshire, and given it's actually beefed up it's military recently, to my knowledge, it would need a lot of resources to maintain it.

This is also me thinking that the whole of Darkshire's only a few kilometers large town though - if it's some sprawling thing like minas tirith, much of this could be in the gates - and given that the idea of it being less than 10,000 people instead of 30,000 like was thought before, I had a much different picture of how much land would need to be relegated to crops. that brings it closer to 40 kilometers of farmland instead of around a hundred and fifty.

Regardless, if people are really certain Darkshire has no outlying territories, I guess I won't fight the status quo, though this requires significant retcons to my posts at this point. I would find it odd if the large walled city with a fairly buffed-up garrison wasn't getting resources from somewhere though, to trade if not to actually keep their own quality of life and etc. going. Especially with the necessity for supplies to outlast a siege needed.

Regardless, it was mostly a way for people to look for specific 1v1's they might want OoC, and a way to add a bit more to the siege. If people are uninterested we can say Kerrigan, Illidan and Skeletor rolled through some cocky secondaries, cut off any outlying support, and there's now refugees causing some panic and confusion in darkshire.

You raise some excellent points, and as a history/logistics geek I'd love to work this the rest of the way out. But I feel like if we get too far into the specifics of Darkshire's economy we'll be in danger of hijacking the thread. 

My confidence in the lack of military outposts specifically comes from reading through the various Darkshire-related threads that brought the town to where it is today. Re-establishing a military presence outside the walls has only recently gotten back onto the ruling Junta's to-do list. 

Also, in retrospect, I probably shouldn't be so quick to predict what other people's characters are going to do.

Frankly, I'd love to go one-on-one with either Skeletor or Kerrigan, but I can't justify Kelly being drawn off that way IC.  Strategy is part of his core concept as a character.

Sorry if this is a little disjointed. I'm tired.

(01-13-2017, 06:16 PM)Revan Noctis Wrote: So just so I know you guys got ghosts wraiths zerglings hydralisks and what else am I missing lol

(01-14-2017, 06:40 PM)Illidan Stormrage Wrote: I think that's a good idea Kelly. But how do you see the battles taking place if we aren't 1v1? We just rp being in a big-scale battle?

Quote: "Y'know, I will be the one that takes down Okor!" or a darkshire archer who thinks "The Queen of Blades is right there, now's my chance to take them out!" will regret their decision pretty quickly. Obviously there are secondaries and npcs who would definitely be able to impact the course of these events, but I don't know if I think they should be directly affecting particular "duels"